How long before Ducati brass hits the panic button??

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It's very early to say yet..and Checa being hurt does not do them any favours, but how long before Ducati starts to panic in regard to the the lack of the 1199's pace in WSBK??? Forget Superstock..that's not the title any manufacturer is all that interested in,they want the big prize.
There was a TON of hype thrown at the 1199 and Ducati doesn't like to look stupid. If the bike doesn't start to show some pace, I wonder if the 1199 era will be a short one.
Checa said he didn't like the bike and then later softened his stance..as I'm sure he was told to. I wonder if they dusted of the 1098R,if they'd be in better shape. Hope they get it together, as it makes the series better with Ducati towards the front. Not looking very promising at this point outside of Checa's surprise superpole. I predict the 1199 to be short lived.
 
It's very early to say yet..and Checa being hurt does not do them any favours, but how long before Ducati starts to panic in regard to the the lack of the 1199's pace in WSBK??? Forget Superstock..that's not the title any manufacturer is all that interested in,they want the big prize.
There was a TON of hype thrown at the 1199 and Ducati doesn't like to look stupid. If the bike doesn't start to show some pace, I wonder if the 1199 era will be a short one.
Checa said he didn't like the bike and then later softened his stance..as I'm sure he was told to. I wonder if they dusted of the 1098R,if they'd be in better shape. Hope they get it together, as it makes the series better with Ducati towards the front. Not looking very promising at this point outside of Checa's surprise superpole. I predict the 1199 to be short lived.

Collectors item then...;).... FF says this isnt important anyway....:D
 
Yeah, talking about it on this forum is going to generate the answer. I bet the race team is standing by in anticipation; they just cant figure it out themselves.
 
If you listen to Dorna (aka Mr Ezpeleta) superstock 1000 is the future of world superbike. I doubt there will be any changes to the pani until the 2014 rules are finalized.
 
If you listen to Dorna (aka Mr Ezpeleta) superstock 1000 is the future of world superbike. I doubt there will be any changes to the pani until the 2014 rules are finalized.

That would be cool, but I doubt it will happen. Many race series talk about dumbing things down a bit but there is always goin to be a large gap between stock. Would love to see it though. Ducati running around uncompetitively is not cool and a shame to see. Would love to see Biaggi lured out of retirement to see if he can do anything with it..........
 
I think checa is on his way out, I would love to see Hayden or Spies go to superbike and out the panigale on top, I honestly think that one of them will be on a 1199 soon. I remember reading that spies wanted to go but Audi really wanted him in GP, with the results I wouldn't be surprised to see a change soon
 
I think the 1199 would do better if not for air restrictors. Not sure if they also have weight added.
 
well even in the national superbike championship in our country the 1199 is being decimated by aprilia :mad:

but they cant beat the killer looks of the panigale imho :D
 
What happens in WSB has zero impact on the love I have for my bike. Short of World Superbikes being sold for $30k, I can't think of anything that would change how friggin' brilliant the 1199 is for what I bought it for.
 
I think the DUCATI brass is too experienced and professional to actually panic about anything:)

I believe they know what to do about it. Actually getting the restrictor rules relaxed by another party is going to be the chalenge for them;)

Anyway i don't really care, nor am i going to be running around going the sky is falling, the sky is falling.
As far as i'm concerned the 1199s is better than the 1198sp in all respects, and that's all that matters to me.
I know i'm riding an L-Twin thoroughbred that looks better than anything else on the market, and it's more machine than i will ever know what to do with or probably deserve in this life.
And it keeps on getting better and better as it's running in:D
IMO:)

Cheers,
Brad
 
Super-stock performance says more about the bike I ride than WSB.

WSB bikes are so far from stock its not funny.

If MotoGP is anything to go by they will keep their cool and ignore the fools.
 
In today's fast paced world, we want things in an instant, we want instant coffee, fast food, express service and let us face it, we also want an instant championship for Ducati's 1199.

But let us face it, the competition is now more fierce . Tom Syke's is on a roll, Aprilia on the other hand will defend the crown with "take no prisoners" attitude. the Bavarian Machine is no side dish either. it is a contender and the three manufacturers official entered as a "factory Team" The three manufacturers also have at least 3 years head start in developing and setting their bikes. So it is not easy for Ducati to have an all new bike and expect to blow every one away.

Give them at least three race seasons . Remember how bad the the placings of the zx10r and the s1000rr when it first came out? Now if it is now 2015and ducati's rear end is already sore from the ... kicking, then we should start pressing the Panic button. I will not be surprised if they will do away with the v twin( who would have thought that Ducati would do away with the trellis frame?)
 
At test recently at Mugello, Ducati ran comparisons with the Stock R, the SuperStock and Superbike spec racer bikes. They used Canepa and La Marra. First they ran them on the Superstck spec bike, and SuperStock spec tyres. Then they ran the SuperStock bike with Superbike tyres. Then the full Superbike with WSBK tyres.

On average it was 1.5 sec a lap better with the tyre change, then a 0.7 to 1 second lower agin with the Superbike over the SuperStock.

They were doing this to get prepared for expected rule changes in 2014 and what they need to fight to get changed for 2013. 2014 will see WSBK move very close to WSTK rules.

They are working on it for sure. It was noted that the gains needed are in electronics and tyre conservation. This sounds familiar to what BMW Aprilia and Kawasaki went through a few years back with their new bikes, remember that? It took them a few years.

And don't forget at the first round Checa put the Pani on pole, in its first outing on the fastest track at Philip Island, with virtually no practice as he had an illness, and went faster than his lap record on ten 1198R, impressive debut.

Then he did a brain snap move, knocked himself silly, buggered his shoulder and is now riding with one arm. Ducati need another rider, but this year is too late. So Canepa and La Marra will be given opportunities getting ready for 2014.

Have faith.
 
It's a brand new, totally different design with the 1199. Aside from one-off's like Bayliss on the 1098 in 2008 and Spies on the R1 in 2009, chances are it will take a few years to develop the 1199 enough to become a consistent front runner. The same thing happened with the R1, S1000RR, and ZX-10R when they debuted. Ducati have a history of making good over the long term. Have patience...
 
And don't forget at the first round Checa put the Pani on pole, in its first outing on the fastest track at Philip Island, with virtually no practice as he had an illness, and went faster than his lap record on ten 1198R, impressive debut.

Oh how quickly people's memories fade. Things will look up once Ducati finds the right rider. Checa was, but now is not.

I echo...patients my friends.



Now if you want to change the topic to MotoGP. That bike and team needs help. Nicky is king of position 7! Not even Val could do anything good with the Desmo. I have zero faith in Ducati within MotoGP.
 
Supposedly the restrictors will be removed in the next round or two. That should give them the hp they're lacking now.
 
DucSyd hit the nail on the head. The fact is simple. NEW bike with VERY little testing time prior to the race season. Remember, they had few tests and the tests they did get were typically wet or poor/less than ideal conditions.

What I found also funny at the start of the year was the fact that in early development testing, they do NOT test in competition scenarios. Meaning, Aprilia, Kaw, BMW have been testing in competition scenarios. Ducati had to test parts, wear, baseline type stuff. Until they get the bike to where it is 100% ready, they were not going to do full competition runs. Parts testing and setup testing is a slow and lower pace process. All that got moot once Checa put that thing on pole the first race out.

Slow pace develops better results. Hence the great start.

My opinion is that IF Checa was healthy, they could test better, they would have better results. But, with the stupid old restriction rules in place on the new bike, they are with hands tied. But a healthy and hungry rider can make up for some of those restrictions. I personally think Checa can do it and still has the ability to do so. However, when you are older, injuries take longer to heal and get back to where you were prior. He's just not able to continue. I think the guy is iron just to make it through practice, qualifying, and race one... Think about this - he still out qualifies and out places younger and more fit riders on the same bike...

I think Ducati needs to put more money into a solid two rider team in WSBK. I think Checa is a great asset much like Bayliss still is and hopefully, Biaggi if that ever gets off the ground. But, getting a Hayden, Spies, etc would be even better. I'm not sold on Spies, though. I think he's got some kind of mental issue where he quits too easily or bows out when others would have stuck to it and carried on. Maybe he's smarter by pulling out and getting back to health for his future, but I worry he is just not into it as much as he should be.

Personally, I think doing what Yamaha did years ago with using WSBK as a feeder system into MotoGP is a great idea. Take the youth and slap them on the WSBK and groom them to be ready for MotoGP. They dont stay long, but they usually are amazing and end up putting in great races and show the capabilities of the machine. Hungry racers make for a great result... ;)

I'm racing the bike in a regional series here. I am struggling with setup slightly and not running where i usually do. However, the bike has signs that it is equal to that of the liter bikes (in-lines) in certain areas. It's a matter of finding the setup that works for me, finding a way to learn and become one with the bike as quickly as I can. I came off a totally different machine and 15 years of racing in-lines. It takes time. But, it is coming along.

I'm not saying I am Checa. ...., I'm not even a star in the regional series. But, the bike is good. It's got the muscle we've not seen in twins at a stock level. The handling is really, really good. It is sensitive to chassis setup, but once you find that sweet spot, it rewards you well. Power? Yeah - it's got power and looking at the WSStk races, the bike is much more capable because it is more level in terms of the playing field. How WSBK can watch all but the Ducati and see them all having higher trap times and power levels and not lift the restrictions on the Duc is crazy to me. It's early enough to see what happens when they lift it. If they lift and the bike all of a sudden dominates, make some changes... Why restrict a bike that is nowhere near that of the previous machine?

Rant over. As stated - BE PATIENT!!
 

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