How small will it be?

After resizing an 1198 and an 1199 to identical sizes (using the outside rear wheel rim diameter) I layered both of the bikes on top of each other. It's pretty close.




The seat heights are identical.
The 1199 seat allows the rider to sit about an inch farther forward than the 1198s.
The 1199s footpegs are slightly higher and more forward.
The 1199s clip ons are about 1.5" closer to the rider.


(BTW--the front tires don't match up because one was at an angle in the pic.)

The bars also appear to be lower and flatter on the 1199.

AntiHero said:

The bars also appear to be lower and flatter on the 1199.

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Everything I've read on the 1199 , has said the bars are higher and wider than the 1198.

2012DUCATI1199 said:

Everything I've read on the 1199 , has said the bars are higher and wider than the 1198.

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I think that's relative to the seat.

Ergos on bikes are a pet peeve of mine, I am comfortable on my 1198 but there are of course some things I would change about it. What I don't understand is why manufacturers don't follow KTM's lead and do what they did with the RC8, that bike has adjustable bars (height wise), adjustable seat, adjustable pegs, everything... I sat on one at a dealer a couple years ago and the sales guy took the time to show me how it all works. It was by far the most comfortable sportbike I have ever sat on. That bike can be made comfortable for anyone. What's more, that adjustability didn't hinder the bikes looks or performance in any way, it only enhanced it. A journalist said it gives "track bike levels of performance and sofa like levels of comfort". It doesnt get any better than that. Now I'm not in the market for an RC8 (despite great things I hear about the 2011's) so I wouldnt buy one, but I am very interested in the 1199 and I wish it had some of this type of adjustability.

Excellent comment 1198freak.
I spent~$4000.00 in aftermarket parts to alter the ergos so that I could ride the bike on the road, and have the ability to set it up for track use (ie. relaxed to aggressive position). It cost ~$1000.00 for the install that took about 2 months, during a riding season that only last 5-6 months at best (remember BMW shops only want to work on bikes with boxer motors in them, sportbike support infrastructure is not in place, which is why I am selling my bike).
I am not sure why manufactures make a 0NE-SIZE-FIT-ALL bike, without any (or limited adjustability). If you notice, the race bikes are set up ergonomically for each individual rider. At full tuck, each rider is able to see through the windshield and has limited body exposure to the wind (reducing aerodynamic drag).
Now, I am not expecting the bikes to come from the factory with this amount of adjustability, but the minimal amount of clipon and rearset adjustability will allow for a broader consumer group to be targeted= more sales? Ultimately, isn't this the goal (sell to race, race to sell)?

Motodoc

If adjustability costs $5k and adds 2 months to the build process, I guess we know why mfgs don't include it in the cost of their bikes!

AntiHero said:

If adjustability costs $5k and adds 2 months to the build process, I guess we know why mfgs don't include it in the cost of their bikes!

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Although I went to the extreme to maximize ergonomic settings. I recall on my gixxer, the rearsets had 2 positions of adjustability. Just placing the rearsets in the lowest setting, dramatically changed the ergos on the bike making it much more comfortable while maintaining excellent ground clearance. I don't think that was a huge cost to the manufacture?

Motodoc

AntiHero said:

After resizing an 1198 and an 1199 to identical sizes (using the outside rear wheel rim diameter) I layered both of the bikes on top of each other. It's pretty close.

The seat heights are identical.
The 1199 seat allows the rider to sit about an inch farther forward than the 1198s.
The 1199s footpegs are slightly higher and more forward.
The 1199s clip ons are about 1.5" closer to the rider.


(BTW--the front tires don't match up because one was at an angle in the pic.)

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Great picture, did you line the bikes up based on any particular point on each bike? If so, where was this?

AntiHero said:

If adjustability costs $5k and adds 2 months to the build process, I guess we know why mfgs don't include it in the cost of their bikes!

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It may cost us a bundle to buy new custom billet parts to change the ergos of a bike we own but to make the bike adjustable from the start would cost the manufacturer $zero!.

Paddock Stand--I zero'd the rear rims, being that both the only part that had the same dimensions on the 1199 and the 1198 were the 17" rears.

As for the cost of building in adjustability, I was being a little ironic.

In the case of Ducati, the obvious answer is, if they made the 1199 (or any of their bikes, for that matter) footpeg-or clip ons-adjustable OEM, they couldn't sell us an overpriced DP part. Simple sales tactic.

I love the bikes, but I think that attitude sucks. My 2009 R1 has a couple frame mounting points for the stock rearsets. How expensive is it to machine a couple pairs of bolt holes into the frame boss? Answer: it isn't...

At least we can alter the rear ride height, and drop the forks on the 1X98... I wonder if the 1199 will provide a means to raise the rear of the bike?

Greg
2008 1098--modified to fit my 6'3" frame!

(Acculign rearsets, Dan Kyle tapered clip-ons)