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Actually , your shop has no clue about Rapid Bike that is probably why they had recommended PCV..... This forum members will give you a better idea about which direction to take, just count how many people actually went with Rapid Bike vs PCV but if I may light up the tunnel a little better for you allow me to just lay out the simple facts that your average PCV guys don't know or don't want you to know
You buy a Rapid bike Racing kit and install it, start the bike and you are done, not only you have just successfully completed your RB installation but you are now starting to enjoy your bike like it is meant to be !
WITH RB racing, you will get: fuel injection management, Ignition management, adaptive tuning , all in one cast aluminium water proof box with 2 years of ABSOLUTELY hassle fee warranty and being able to reprogram the box if in the future you sell your bike and buy a hayabusa or multistrada of KTM 390 , or whatever !!!!!
WITH RB racing, you don't need to worry about the closed loop area since RB manages the closed loop which is about below 6000 RPM and below 19% throttle something like that and please remind me where is the trouble area on ALL of Panigale bikes ? you won't have to get rid of your O2 sensors and enjoy the way RB makes adjustments the fly.
RB Racing retail : $765
I am sure I am forgetting some of other futures but I'll edit later since I have to get back to work and pack up 9 more Panigale kits today. Oh by the way we have sold 115 JUST Panigale kits in 2015 and PLEASE do google and see you can find anybody having any trouble with it ( however we have had some glitches with just a couple of the but all taken care of )
So let's get back to my favorite subject, what about PCV on Panigale, Well I am sure it works but allow me again to lay out just the simple facts.....
So In order to have the same capabilities you will have to buy PCV $419.99, PCV Ignition module $369.96, PC Auto tune $479.99 So about $1270 you got yourself a Power commander set up that thinks it can do what Rb can
But wait your are not done yet!!!!! 1st off, all of the above will still not manage your closed loop area , .... ! what you need to do is get the ECU out and flash that will cost about another $300 ( I won't get into details on this one either ) but now you are ready and already spent $1570 on all the hardware. Now go ahead and go with the installation, have you ever seen all those laid out on a table ? let me tell you, you just got yourself a spaghetti wiring, wires all over the place and it there is a slightest trouble, can you imagine removing all of that ? yes they are smaller and made out of plastic cases but you can not avoid not having wires. And if you still have to remove the headers and get 18mm bungs welded for the auto tune sensors.
What if I have a problem with RB , how fast can you troubleshoot ???? Well I would say to eliminate the RB module your probably looking at however long it takes you to get to the module and if you do have the ADORI bypass plug , it will then take you about 3 seconds to pinpoint if the problem is your bike ? RB harness ? or RB module?
Try that with PCV and its components!!!!! and I don't care what anyone says, when you have a PCV you have to have a dyno session..... Oh wait , another favorite subject of mine
Well some people argue that PCV will make map per gear adjustments which is true and we don't, here is why, if the bike does not have an actual GP sensor RB does not want to have anything to do with it, Panigale has one but it actually calculates the gear position at the transmission it is not a real sensor as far as let's say S1000RR , ZX10R or GSXR1000 sensors, the calculation PCV makes will vary with different tire and sprocket size which is not reliable. But I will find it very difficult if one claims that it actually works .
According to dynojet,
this is in Panigale installation manual you have 4 tuning tables 1 for each cylinder and if you do use map per gear function you will have 24 maps ? really ? and add 6 ignition maps ( if it can do map per gear ignition mapping )
That means, 24 separate maps to tune ? PLEASE chime in people especially if there is a tuner among us and tell me how long it would truly take you to make a proper map ? and what would you charge for your time ? Woow poor bike, I can not imagine my bike being on that dyno tortured !
Our RB ignition maps are already done and has been working well, we can pick up the ignition signal from crank position sensor, which is low voltage steady signal, we don't tap in to ignition coils for a reason.
And yes, if one desires his or her bike to be tuned on the dyno , everything can be manually adjusted .
I just copied this from PC web site
• For all other ranges 12.8-13.4 seems to work best. For the best results it is
recommended to bring the bike to an Authorized Tuning Center to have them verify the AFR values.
AND WHY ? if everything is working as it should how would you even confirm that if the tuner is using exhaust probes which also very difficult to do on Panigale exhaust since there will be cooling off and delay when they use the copper tube stuck in the exhaust pipe ?
Well, that was my input and pick whichever one appeals to you
I think your statement contains half truths about the PCV, but since you are an expert and I am not I will refer your comments to an expert and see if he wants to reply. I will then publish his reply on this forum.
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