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endodoc said:
Because the cost and complexity although doable to machine and engine case, heads and associated parts would be quite undertaking however to answer your question, if in the case of the V2 if you used the Pierobon chassis or in the case of the V4 the Tamburini chassis, you could build the entire bike using very few Ducati parts and they would all be engine related. Every other piece of the bike is available from an aftermarket supplier from the swingarm to the electronics etc. In my particular case its quite simple, I wanted to build a twin so I chose the platform. That being said except for a few cast logos on engine components, there isnt anything that identify my bikes as any brand. They are completely void of all branding on all parts except again for something rather permanent.

I have zero "brand" affiliation, its a motorcycle. If someone else had an alternative platform to the twin, I may have chosen that as a platform, really made no difference to me. With respect to the brand relative to Japanese companies, yes parts are a rip off, yes engineering on a lot of things is pretty ...... and yes a lot of the components that they use for the money are crap. Is what it is. Lastly to build a "better" bike you need funding, you need resources, you need time. If you think all these parts from all these vendors especially the race spec stuff just all magically bolt together, you have spent very little time around anything but "Stock" and that's why there isn't a board full of Craigs, Steven's, Mick's, Karl's, Rick's etc It ain't that easy but to sit there and deny that a track home isn't quite as good as a custom home because of pride of ownership, whatever.
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Holaholahold up… didn’t you just say “Again you and Paul have interjected “cost” as a factor which speaks volumes” and now you’re talking about cost as a factor… which speaks volumez. I haz canfusion.
 
This is fun. Lively group you have here. I knew owning a Ducati was going to be interesting but it’s turned out to be REALLY interesting

And I also see how you’d have a love hate relationship with Ducati. Bikes are pretty and have character but then again how do you miss putting on the wrong forks?!?!
 
SuperDomestique said:
This is fun. Lively group you have here. I knew owning a Ducati was going to be interesting but it’s turned out to be REALLY interesting

And I also see how you’d have a love hate relationship with Ducati. Bikes are pretty and have character but then again how do you miss putting on the wrong forks?!?!
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Love hate is a good way to describe Ducati ownership.

Whatever happened to the wrong forks saga?! Pray tell
 
SuperDomestique said:
Holaholahold up… didn’t you just say “Again you and Paul have interjected “cost” as a factor which speaks volumes” and now you’re talking about cost as a factor… which speaks volumez. I haz canfusion.
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Ha, yes a little confusing, let me simplify. Money is the differentiator between what you want and what you ultimately get. Capital in most cases circumvents compromised. Compromise is what you get when you didn’t get what you wanted. Skill sets allow you to expand that to further differentiate and bring you closer to an unbridled outcome.
 
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Ooo the gauntlet is down. hahaaa Nice!
Take the competition to the track guys. Yes.

I've been hearing my whole life, "unless you're a pro, you're never going tell the difference between the top shelf and the mid-shelf."
I can not disagree with that more. I haven't found a subject I have found that to be true from paint to whiskey to nice rides. A POS liter bike is going to get dangerous at a certain threshold. A really great bike will amplify abilities and extend possibilities.

I think it's like wine. No one is going to be able to appreciate a $500 bottle from Russian River until they try it a few times and learn. When you learn, you may even realize there's the $60 bottle you can drink under a tree in Dry Creek right across the river made with the same grapes on identical hills in the same way that's really damn good as well.
IMHO it's not about cost. It's about purpose driven design, materials and application. When you add stories culture and notable people you get legends. You pay more for legends. Sometimes it's worth it.
 

Nassim Nicholas Taleb
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Jun 12

FINANCE 101 Something like Bitcoin with purely circular attributes (which includes no yield) becomes LESS attractive at a lower price, in a path dependent way (a fall from grace).

---- hopefully this applies to Porsches and Ducatis too :)

although they are not purely circular in that you can get a lot of utility from driving/riding regardless of cost...
 
CSV4 said:

Nassim Nicholas Taleb
@nntaleb
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Jun 12

FINANCE 101 Something like Bitcoin with purely circular attributes (which includes no yield) becomes LESS attractive at a lower price, in a path dependent way (a fall from grace).

---- hopefully this applies to Porsches and Ducatis too :)

although they are not purely circular in that you can get a lot of utility from driving/riding regardless of cost...
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Maybe this is what the dealer selling the SL is thinking but the inverse proportional: if I price it higher, it'll be more attractive too buyers.

Also bitcoin fulfills no purpose other than to be bitcoin and "hold" value. Ironically, bitcoin's purpose was to circumvent traditional centrally controlled currencies yet its value comes from those traditional centrally controlled currencies. When someone asks how much is bitcoin worth, they don't say "it's 1 bitcoin dummy". Rather, they say it's worth $20k. Bitcoin can go to hell! Go to hell and die!

@TomFoolery My Ducati drama is far from over. New forks are on but they haven't been very forthcoming verifying the other updated-for-2022 components on my bike. So tbd...
 
Bitcoin, I deeply regret that I didn't buy you when you were $70, just like a regret not buying that winning lottery ticket haha! Crypto is wrong on so many levels as a currency, its primary use is criminal activity and mad speculation.
 
In 1976, my parents bought 3 homes in the San Francisco Bay Area (San Carlos to be exact). They were and still are rental properties and I eventually inherited them quite some time ago. On average each one of those homes has gone up over 60k a year for the last 45 years at today’s market value. The homes were paid off long ago. Now I don’t know a lot about fancy coins and fancy investments, my wife dabbles in that day trading quagmire but I do know that I started buying and “holding” real estate 30 years ago and for me, it has out performed everything else in my portfolio from a wealth generation perspective.
 
Wise words Endo, if there is anything that anyone here should take on board its this ^^ all my money has been made in the RE sector
 
... wonder what those houses would be worth sans the tech sector

it's just more tech wealth imo

could have bought three houses in detroit in 76...
 
Oh for sure that’s a factor but you can’t be an ..... about it. I buy and hold in markets that historically give good returns. Hawaii is not a tech sector and it has in many instances out performed what I have in the Bay Area. SoCal isn’t silicone valley either but Orange County has given generally better returns than what I have in NorCal. I bought a lot in Crystal Cove in 2005 for 2.5m. Today there is a home on it listed on Zillow for 31m. Unfortunately I don’t own it. I sold the lot in 2008. Huge mistake. I couldn’t at the time afford to build on it which in hindsight, I should have found a way. Probably my biggest failure to date.
 
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