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Don't mean to post to another forum, but here is an VERY interesting tuning thread:

"www.ducati.ms/forums/56-superbikes/136681-panigale-remapping-ecu-4.html"

Doug is very well know in the Ducati tuning world. This looks VERY promising.

Thanks-Big Boost
 
Any example of what is posted

Not taking credit for the info, just want to share. Plus if you read further in the thread, they are also testing a new header.....




"I will poke my head in here and explain some stuff about the ECU and what I have been doing to allow easy tuning on the dyno.

I have reverse engineered the code in the Mitsubishi ECU on the Panigale.
I have added extra tables to aid in tuning, these tables can be adjusted while the motor is running, this should speed up the tuning process.
The tables act as trim tables. For each cylinder I have added one for throttle v RPM mapping, one for manifold pressure v RPM mapping and one for ignition trims.
To simplify tuning the software will switch off manifold pressure mapping when you are tuning the throttle v RPM tables and switch off throttle position mapping when you are tuning manifold pressure v RPM tables. It also bypasses the gear based trims while tuning on the dyno.
The gear based trims need to be adjusted using data collected in the real world, not a dyno room.
The Panigale has two throttle servo motors, this means the front and rear cylinders may have different throttle plate angles for the same throttle grip position.
To help dyno operators tune these bikes I have added a feature in the tuning software to send the throttle to a set point. This allows the dyno operator to select a row in the map then simply hit a key on the PC keyboard to send the throttle to the exact row. The ECU will back the throttle off when the RPM reaches the end point selected on the map.
The throttle position used will depend on the table being adjusted. If you are adjusting fuel for the front cylinder the software will control throttle position based on the front throttle position sensor, if you are on the table for the rear cylinder it will use the rear throttle position.
The reason Ducati have different throttle position on front and rear cylinders is to compensate for the power difference between cylinders at the same throttle angle.
Anyone who has looked at the fuel maps for a twin will have seen the big difference between the map on the front cylinder and the map on the rear. Power is relative to the fuel delivery so it is obvious that the cylinders have very different power curves.
In a directly linked throttle body the motor will be rough because of the cylinders fighting each other. The fly by wire on the Panigale solves this problem.
The standard narrow band O2 sensors can be removed and wide band sensor/controllers connected to the standard O2 sensor inputs.
This will allow the PC software to record A/F ratio at each point in the map.
Doing this will allow logging of the data on the road or track.
As I was playing with the fly by wire I decided to add cruise control to the ECU code.
The cruise control works as follows.
Get to the speed you want to cruise at then push the start button.
The code in the ECU will store the current speed and throttle position and adjust throttle position up and down to hold the speed.
If you touch the brakes or pull the clutch the cruise control will turn off, just like the one in your average car.
The cruise control is limited to 20% throttle and also limited to a max RPM, this is a failsafe in case the clutch is pulled and the clutch switch is faulty.
You can connect an LED to the front O2 sensor plug (Between 12v and heater ground pins), the ECU will turn the O2 heater on when cruise control is on and turn it off when cruise control cuts off.
The throttle adjustments by cruise control are slow to make sure the ECU does not do any sudden throttle movements.
All of the adjustments to the mapping are made wirelessly and I am working on the iPhone code to allow reflashing of the ECU from the iPhone or iPad.
The iPhone will also be able to datalog and will record acceleration values, lean angle, brake force and GPS location.
Chris and Doug will both be able to map the bikes using the new software.
I just need to do some more dyno testing and road testing of the cruise control then it will be ready.
The iPhone software will take a little longer."
 
The poster (wmcdonal) on the other forum is TuneBoy, TuneBoy - Engine Management Systems

The work Chris, Doug and he have been doing is why I don't believe piggyback solutions are likely to work as well as directly remapping the ECU. I also believe ECU tuning will be more or at least equally important to improving the performance of the 1199 than exhaust systems.

Doug had my bike for over a week in May. Hopefully he'll finish moving his dyno soon so he can finish tuning it.
 
I used the Tuneboy software on my old Triumph TT600. I was able to get 117 rear wheel hp with a custom full system and Cam degree...That was before it came apart in grand fashion on track. Tuneboy software works great, and is a very user friendly interface, so this will be a good thing!
 
Was the tt600 an open loop system? That's the stumbling block that makes it tough to tune the newer ducs, they have a closed loop system, ie messing with the 02 sensors will trigger an engine fault.

I used the Tuneboy software on my old Triumph TT600. I was able to get 117 rear wheel hp with a custom full system and Cam degree...That was before it came apart in grand fashion on track. Tuneboy software works great, and is a very user friendly interface, so this will be a good thing!
 
I'm sceptical because his TuneBoy website only lists older bikes. The difference technologically between what's listed on the site and the Paniagle 1199 is a wide margin. Did I mention I was sceptical?
 
You have to give them some time to develop the system. Tuneboy does good work. The system for my TT allowed timing adjustments, and would also do data logging. It was really cool. My TT only died because I exceeded the flow rate of the injectors which caused the big boom! Just give them some time to develope the system
 
I'm sceptical because his TuneBoy website only lists older bikes. The difference technologically between what's listed on the site and the Paniagle 1199 is a wide margin. Did I mention I was sceptical?

They seem to have lack of time upgrading their website. If you require any further info try contacting directly through email. In my case I go 100% pleased tunning my race bike.
 
I have just put my Pani on the Dyno and at the same time we chatted about the advantage of using a tuneboy as this is what the owner is familiar with.

I am thinking of trying this out at a later date, so I have found this very interesting reading.....thank you to the poster.
 
The poster (wmcdonal) on the other forum is TuneBoy, TuneBoy - Engine Management Systems

The work Chris, Doug and he have been doing is why I don't believe piggyback solutions are likely to work as well as directly remapping the ECU. I also believe ECU tuning will be more or at least equally important to improving the performance of the 1199 than exhaust systems.

Doug had my bike for over a week in May. Hopefully he'll finish moving his dyno soon so he can finish tuning it.

That was your bike!!! Wow, you did the community a HUGE favor! Doug even mentioned in his post.

I can't wait to see the results, as this bike definitely needs a few tweaks here and there!

Have you heard any updates?
 
That was your bike!!! Wow, you did the community a HUGE favor! Doug even mentioned in his post.

I can't wait to see the results, as this bike definitely needs a few tweaks here and there!

Have you heard any updates?

No big deal. Lucky to have Doug in my city. He did my 916 ages ago. Had he not, I would have likely sold it, as it ran like crap when I first got it. Hope he can make as big an improvement on the 1199. I'll probably give him a shout at the end of next week to see if he wants my bike again. I doubt he'll be ready for it. Having to move his shop during the peak season has probably left him with a big backlog.
 
Hey Wallaroo - did your guy end up using the Tuneboy software on the dyno?

Would be interested to hear of anyone else that has had their bike (1199) tuned with Tuneboy software as my local specialist is using it.
 
Hey Wallaroo - did your guy end up using the Tuneboy software on the dyno?

Would be interested to hear of anyone else that has had their bike (1199) tuned with Tuneboy software as my local specialist is using it.

Its available now???I don't see it their web site..
 
Their site seems to be low on the priority list.

I had a reply to my PM within 30 mins which was amazing. They have it sorted apparently although I'm just looking for someone who has seen an uplift in performance from it.

I know a guy who has a Diavel that was tuned with Tuneboy and he was very happy with the way it ran. Would like to see if there are some Pani owners with experience of it.
 
Their site seems to be low on the priority list.

I had a reply to my PM within 30 mins which was amazing. They have it sorted apparently although I'm just looking for someone who has seen an uplift in performance from it.

I know a guy who has a Diavel that was tuned with Tuneboy and he was very happy with the way it ran. Would like to see if there are some Pani owners with experience of it.

Gotcha... Perhaps you should start a specific TB thread.... Frosty would appreciate that :D
 
This is available.

New features will be added in the near future, at the moment this is what you get.

Fuel and ignition adjustment, this can be done live while the motor is running. This makes the job much quicker for the dyno operator.
Full electronic cruise control, this works just like a car cruise control.
Cruise control is enabled by holding the start button for three seconds after you start the bike. The throttle gives a little blip to show it has turned on.
Once under way you start cruise by a single press of the start button, this will take over the throttle and hold the current speed.
If you touch the brakes or pull the clutch the cruise control disengages just like a car.
When cruise is active you can adjust the cruise speed up and down using the menu up/down buttons on the left switch block.
If you need to overtake a car you can do this and as long as you have not hit the brakes the cruise will take over again when the speed drops to the previous set speed.
Exhaust flap is disabled (Can be unplugged without an error).
O2 sensors are disabled and the function of the O2 sensor plugs have changed.
If you have the Cruise Control option you can connect a set of buttons to the front O2 sensor plug and this will add some extra functions like a resume to get back to a previous set speed.
The rear O2 sensor plug can be used to power accessories like a Radar detector etc.
The thermo fan on the radiator will turn on at the normal 103 degree's only once on every ride. After the first fan on/off cycle the turn on point is changed to 91 degree's, this helps to keep the heat under control.
The reason we make it go to 103 the first time is to make sure any moisture in the oil steams off, otherwise the oil may go cloudy in colder climates.
The service indicator can be cleared, this allows oil changes to be done by your local mechanic if your Ducati dealer is a long way away.

The iPhone/iPad app will be ready very soon.
This will allow data logging, dyno graphs, it will allow you to set cruise speeds (buttons for preset speeds), you will even be able to blip the throttle.
The throttle blip will only work if the bike is in neutral at 0 wheel speed. No practical use except to show off at the local cafe.
The iPhone will be able to load different trim files into the ECU, this will allow you to select a trim file to match the riding condition or fuel you are using.
Example: you may have E85 fuel that requires very different fuel mapping. This can be selected on the phone and loaded into the ECU without even turning the bike off.

Please note that the iPhone functions are still being developed so nothing is set in concrete.

The down-shift blip (for clutchless down shifts) will be added at a later date, this will require the speed shift switch upgrade to a load cell based switch.
When this feature is added you will also be able to adjust the pressure required on the shift lever before the shift kill (up-shifts).

Another feature we are looking at for the iPhone is a speed camera function.
If you ride past a fixed speed camera every day it is easy to forget about it.
This function will allow you to tag the GPS location of the camera, the iPhone can slow the bike down at this GPS location if you are going over the speed limit, could save many $$$

The standard map can be loaded into the ECU if you are worried about warranty issues, then replaced after the service.

Yes the web site is out of date, too much time spent on the code changes.
 
Would rather have the code than the site! As long as the dyno guy has the latest software that's all that matters! This sort of works needs to be done by a professional.

I think we'd all like to see some Dyno goodness to show what improvements in power and HP can be had as well. I'll certainly be able to post that within a couple of weeks.

Cruise control and that sort of stuff isn't a big draw card with a sports bike IMHO.
 
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Great news.... are you doing maps for this bike too or just releasing this so a local tuner can access the Ecu for specific tuning?? Any figures on what a tune could do for this bike??
 
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Well everybody I ordered mine over the weekend. Didn't have it shipped priority so it will probably be about two weeks before I get it. I have a shop outside Nashville TN and we have a Dynojet 250 dyno on site so I will get you before and after graphs. As of now the bike makes 172hp with the correction factor on SAE and 176 in STD correction. Bike has Termi slip ons. I also can't wait to remove the stupid O2 sensors so I can richen the closed loop area which should help the heat issue with out getting the new heat shield. I paid around 642$ US shipped but did not get the autotune feature since I have a dyno and all the time in the world to tune it correctly. I will post results once I get finished with it. I am just glad I can flash the ECU without having to shut the bike off, that will save lots of time on tuning.
 
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