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my 2 cents: stay away from tuneboy: sloppy company, sloppy products, sloppy websites, awful support... stick to the professionals.
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I can't vouch for Tuneboy in any way, I am working off the recommendation of my local ducati specialist.
This is s REALLY complicated tuning process that requires a professional understanding of the process and engine/general mechanical engineering know-how. I would never attempt to use this software myself.
I am prepared to take the word of my local Ducati specialist who has used the software in his professional dyno operation, and by using his professional services I am indemnifying myself against problems.
I enter into this process with eyes wide open after having many bikes tuned in the past with different levels of success. Should the result be poor we will re-flash with the standard map and look at other options.
This is s REALLY complicated tuning process that requires a professional understanding of the process and engine/general mechanical engineering know-how. I would never attempt to use this software myself.
I am prepared to take the word of my local Ducati specialist who has used the software in his professional dyno operation, and by using his professional services I am indemnifying myself against problems.
I enter into this process with eyes wide open after having many bikes tuned in the past with different levels of success. Should the result be poor we will re-flash with the standard map and look at other options.
Well, I can vouch for Tuneboy as my bike is the one he has been doing all the testing on. The bike now runs perfectly. Less heat under the seat due to fuel changes, cruise control which runs flawlessly, low speed riding is easier and changes to the fan settings makes the bike more manageable in traffic.
For those who are wondering, Tuneboy has tuned my last 5 bikes over the last 11 years. Absolutely no regrets or issues at all!
For those who are wondering, Tuneboy has tuned my last 5 bikes over the last 11 years. Absolutely no regrets or issues at all!
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he has never replied to the latest questions in the .ms thread. was about half a year ago...
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He replied to my PM in minutes. Give the guy a break!
So far we're going on the negative experience of one person who by his own admission isn't technically minded.
I will post my experiences back to the forum when I've had the AR system fitted and tuned. I will try and capture some of the process of using the software on video.
No-one is keener than me to get a great result!
Cheers
C
So far we're going on the negative experience of one person who by his own admission isn't technically minded.
I will post my experiences back to the forum when I've had the AR system fitted and tuned. I will try and capture some of the process of using the software on video.
No-one is keener than me to get a great result!
Cheers
C
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I posted a thread a while ago of a company here in the U.S that does ECU mapping called Rexxer, for those looking for a U.S. option. Look up Redline Motorsports in Virginia and contact Dave in reference to Rexxer USA. He can explain everything. He works directly for the Ducati dealership there and tunes some very high performance bikes. Plus according to him, and he is a lead developer in Rexxer, you don't need to dyno tune the bike with the Rexxer flash, it only gains a 0.05% fuel increase.
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So..just out if interest... what are the claimed benefits for the Rexxer flash??Specific to the 1199 I mean... the Rexxer site shows very vague generic statements
The RexXer gives you a box that allows you to flash a map into your ECU.
The reason they say you don't need to dyno the bike is because they don't provide the tools to tune the bike on the dyno. If you want to tune the bike with the RexXer you need to pay many more $$$ to get the software.
The RexXer does not allow mapping while the motor is running.
The RexXer maps don't change the thermo fan turn on point, they don't keep the SAI solenoid closed and they do not disable the O2 sensors (You need to unplug the sensor as they just turn off the error).
RexXer is a rebadged AlienTech PowerGate, the software is developed in Italy and I doubt anyone in the USA is a lead developer.
yzf856 I am sure you have seen on your dyno how different two bikes can be, if not you could put a PoweCommander on a bike, download a map and dyno operators would have no work.
Most DynoJet tuners I have talked to start with a zero trim map and tune on a bike by bike basis
The area that differs the most from bike to bike is the low throttle area, this is because the amount of fuel being squirted into the motor is small, it is when the injection time is small that the differences in injector flow rate, fuel pump pressure etc will make a significant enough difference to effect the running of the bike.
It is the low throttle response and rideability of the bike that improves the most with dyno tuning.
Any question about the TuneBoy software or support for the Ducati Mitsubishi ECU can be answered by doing a search on the Multistrada or Diavel forums.
The Cruise Control on a sports bike is of no use if you only use the bike on the track or the local twisties. The reality is that we end up on our sports bike on the highway wishing we could take the weight off the wrists.
I think that the addition of the Cruise Control will make longer rides on the Panigale easy to handle.
The reason they say you don't need to dyno the bike is because they don't provide the tools to tune the bike on the dyno. If you want to tune the bike with the RexXer you need to pay many more $$$ to get the software.
The RexXer does not allow mapping while the motor is running.
The RexXer maps don't change the thermo fan turn on point, they don't keep the SAI solenoid closed and they do not disable the O2 sensors (You need to unplug the sensor as they just turn off the error).
RexXer is a rebadged AlienTech PowerGate, the software is developed in Italy and I doubt anyone in the USA is a lead developer.
yzf856 I am sure you have seen on your dyno how different two bikes can be, if not you could put a PoweCommander on a bike, download a map and dyno operators would have no work.
Most DynoJet tuners I have talked to start with a zero trim map and tune on a bike by bike basis
The area that differs the most from bike to bike is the low throttle area, this is because the amount of fuel being squirted into the motor is small, it is when the injection time is small that the differences in injector flow rate, fuel pump pressure etc will make a significant enough difference to effect the running of the bike.
It is the low throttle response and rideability of the bike that improves the most with dyno tuning.
Any question about the TuneBoy software or support for the Ducati Mitsubishi ECU can be answered by doing a search on the Multistrada or Diavel forums.
The Cruise Control on a sports bike is of no use if you only use the bike on the track or the local twisties. The reality is that we end up on our sports bike on the highway wishing we could take the weight off the wrists.
I think that the addition of the Cruise Control will make longer rides on the Panigale easy to handle.
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Yup, I just recently completed nearly 4000k in a little over a week and while most of that was as twisty as I could contrive there was still a few 100ks of national highways to 'transit' where just a hair's breadth of extra throttle on the Pani could see you making an unplanned contribution to the Government's Consolidated Fund. It was in those moments of abject frustration and aching wrists that I thought even on a superbike could cruise control find a place....
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yzf856 Here are a few tips that you may like to try on the dyno.
1. When the bike is on the dyno it is nice to be able to hold the speed at a higher point than idle.
If you let the throttle go the bike will chug on the dyno. To fix this you simply hold the throttle to bring the bike up off idle (2000 RPM for example) then press ctrl-F5 on the keyboard. This will tell the ECU to hold this throttle value instead of returning to completely closed throttle.
If you want to return to the normal closed throttle press ctrl-F5 without holding any throttle, this will return to the normal closed throttle.
Doing the ctrl-F5 will allow you to let the throttle go without the bike chugging.
2. Holding a steady throttle on a motorcycle with ride by wire can be hard, this is because the relationship between throttle grip position and butterfly angle changes through the rev range, this can make it hard to get good data from a dyno run because you are constantly chasing the throttle position.
To fix this we have made two modifications to the code in the ECU.
The first is the ability to control throttle position from the PC.
Simply click on the throttle position you want to run at on the RPM point that you want the run to end (example 20% throttle at 6000RPM) then press the F5 key, this will make the throttle go to 20% until the RPM goes past 6000 RPM, once the RPM goes past 6000 the throttle closes without any input from the dyno operator.
This allows you to control the throttle of the bike from the PC.
If you need to quit the run just hit the space-bar on the PC and the throttle will close.
The second change is that when you use the F5 key it tells the ECU to use a linear throttle table, this gives a 1/1 relationship between the throttle grip position and the butterfly position.
Even if you don't use the F5 key for tuning it is good to use it once to make the ECU use the linear throttle table. For example click on 6% throttle at 2500 RPM and press F5, the bike will give a little blip of the throttle and you can now hold a steady throttle position because the ECU will use the linear throttle table until the bike is turned off and on.
If you find the throttle opens too quickly for your dyno you can change the throttle speed in the config options (see documentation).
1. When the bike is on the dyno it is nice to be able to hold the speed at a higher point than idle.
If you let the throttle go the bike will chug on the dyno. To fix this you simply hold the throttle to bring the bike up off idle (2000 RPM for example) then press ctrl-F5 on the keyboard. This will tell the ECU to hold this throttle value instead of returning to completely closed throttle.
If you want to return to the normal closed throttle press ctrl-F5 without holding any throttle, this will return to the normal closed throttle.
Doing the ctrl-F5 will allow you to let the throttle go without the bike chugging.
2. Holding a steady throttle on a motorcycle with ride by wire can be hard, this is because the relationship between throttle grip position and butterfly angle changes through the rev range, this can make it hard to get good data from a dyno run because you are constantly chasing the throttle position.
To fix this we have made two modifications to the code in the ECU.
The first is the ability to control throttle position from the PC.
Simply click on the throttle position you want to run at on the RPM point that you want the run to end (example 20% throttle at 6000RPM) then press the F5 key, this will make the throttle go to 20% until the RPM goes past 6000 RPM, once the RPM goes past 6000 the throttle closes without any input from the dyno operator.
This allows you to control the throttle of the bike from the PC.
If you need to quit the run just hit the space-bar on the PC and the throttle will close.
The second change is that when you use the F5 key it tells the ECU to use a linear throttle table, this gives a 1/1 relationship between the throttle grip position and the butterfly position.
Even if you don't use the F5 key for tuning it is good to use it once to make the ECU use the linear throttle table. For example click on 6% throttle at 2500 RPM and press F5, the bike will give a little blip of the throttle and you can now hold a steady throttle position because the ECU will use the linear throttle table until the bike is turned off and on.
If you find the throttle opens too quickly for your dyno you can change the throttle speed in the config options (see documentation).
We did a little video showing the trim software working on a ZX10R Kawasaki, this uses the Mitsubishi ECU like the Panigale, just without the electronic throttle.
The video shows three runs through the revs at 30% throttle, after each run the software calculates the required changes and sends the values to the ECU.
You can see from the first run that the A/F swings from rich to lean then back to rich again.
After the second run it is smoothed out and after the third run the A/F looks good.
The colour of the squares in the table are red for lean, blue for rich and green when the A/F is within 0.2 of the target A/F.
The last run has green in every cell.
TuneBoy live tuning of Kawasaki ZX10R - YouTube
No input was required from the dyno operator (except to hold the throttle steady).
The video shows three runs through the revs at 30% throttle, after each run the software calculates the required changes and sends the values to the ECU.
You can see from the first run that the A/F swings from rich to lean then back to rich again.
After the second run it is smoothed out and after the third run the A/F looks good.
The colour of the squares in the table are red for lean, blue for rich and green when the A/F is within 0.2 of the target A/F.
The last run has green in every cell.
TuneBoy live tuning of Kawasaki ZX10R - YouTube
No input was required from the dyno operator (except to hold the throttle steady).
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For the record I am not bashing on the Tuneboy ECU flash, nor am I an expert in flashing. Just putting it out there that there is an option to flash in the U.S.
Last night I did some ignition map tuning on a Multistrada 1200, just the low throttle area.
This is the process I use for Ignition tuning.
1. Put the dyno in speed hold mode, this prevents the bike going past the speed set on the dyno hand controller.
2. Set the throttle using the F5 key on the PC, this makes the ECU hold a fixed throttle and makes sure it is exactly on a throttle position row.
3. Adjust the speed holding point on the dyno so the bike is at one of the RPM points in the table.
4. Adjust the ignition while watching the current horsepower output on the dyno screen, this allows me to advance the ignition until I reach the maximum horsepower for that point in the map.
Doing this find tuning of the ignition maps makes a big difference to throttle response and improves fuel economy.
This type of tuning cannot be done with a flash tune product, you need the ability to adjust the values with a running motor.
This is the process I use for Ignition tuning.
1. Put the dyno in speed hold mode, this prevents the bike going past the speed set on the dyno hand controller.
2. Set the throttle using the F5 key on the PC, this makes the ECU hold a fixed throttle and makes sure it is exactly on a throttle position row.
3. Adjust the speed holding point on the dyno so the bike is at one of the RPM points in the table.
4. Adjust the ignition while watching the current horsepower output on the dyno screen, this allows me to advance the ignition until I reach the maximum horsepower for that point in the map.
Doing this find tuning of the ignition maps makes a big difference to throttle response and improves fuel economy.
This type of tuning cannot be done with a flash tune product, you need the ability to adjust the values with a running motor.
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