Lawsuit from a Panigale Rider

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990Glen said:
The way HSE is these days, you would probably find that the organiser would
still be negligent due to letting him ride at all without attending the briefing,
and also their subsequent failure to have a system in place to ensure this control
measure was in adhered to.

The debris in run off areas will be a separate point .

Its a sad state of affairs that there is so much litigation these days. It really is a business,
all by itself.
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Which is why there is so many dumb c*nts in the world can't think for themselves (autocorrect and calculators) and when they do f*ck up get big payouts like the cruise control on a winnebago.

https://www.chron.com/news/casey/article/Incredible-lawsuit-tales-1826357.php

If you work in the mines here a 5min task could take 3-4hrs in doing JHA/Take 5 and chasing someone to authorise the permit to work.
Normal jobs are starting to bring this .... in.

Time is money if its being pissed away to make things beyond safe then someone has to pay or cutting corners happens.

I work with university degree people and get .... like 'lights aren't working urgent please' get up there and they haven't switched them on.
 
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@Halo2

You think the mines are time consuming to do the most simplistic task...Try working in Nuclear power.

NOLA
 
Halo2 said:
Which is why there is so many dumb c*nts in the world can't think for themselves (autocorrect and calculators) and when they do f*ck up get big payouts like the cruise control on a winnebago.

https://www.chron.com/news/casey/article/Incredible-lawsuit-tales-1826357.php

If you work in the mines here a 5min task could take 3-4hrs in doing JHA/Take 5 and chasing someone to authorise the permit to work.
Normal jobs are starting to bring this .... in.

Time is money if its being pissed away to make things beyond safe then someone has to pay or cutting corners happens.

I work with university degree people and get .... like 'lights aren't working urgent please' get up there and they haven't switched them on.
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Once companies became liable for injuries, thats when HSE became over the top. Its just a pissing contest on "whos is safest" where in fact its all just a ... covering pass the buck. (Look at he Bradley curve, and tell me if theres any company which is only just beyond reactive)
Add that to people who make far to much money from HSE, people own empire building or workers now using HSE as an excuse not to do work or slow it down.
 
I've watched the video like twenty times.

and I don't have any witty opinion to express I just like watching the ....... yardsale his ....... . :D
 
This is a copy from my comment earlier last week. Still stands.

As a racer with over 30 years of experience. The rider should have said something about the sandbags during the warm up laps.As far as the track owner. Those sandbags should have never been there.As an owner you know there are going to be all levels of riders at your track. A 1st time track rider is not going to know or understand what an unsafe track condition is -vs- an experienced track day rider. I for one would have said to the owner. "Either remove the sands bags or refund my money" No way any race organisation would allow those on the outside of a turn. Moto America, WERA or Moto Gp. My point is that this guy may have signed a waiver but if he had zero track knowledge and was trying to learn how to ride and enjoy his bike in a safe environment the owner didn't provide that for him.

However this person had done 10 laps around the track didn't say anything AND missed the safety meeting. Most of the negligence is on his part. And some of it is with the owner of the track for not providing an safe condition for those that are 1st timers at a track and are fully unaware of recognizing how unsafe the existing conditions are after the safety meeting.
 
tyguidry said:
I will probably receive a ration of .... for this but oh well, here goes..

I think a lot of people are missing the point here. I don't side with the figure being asked (i think its ludicrous) but the sandbags should not be in place after they've served their intended purpose.

So what if he took the corner wide? so what if he's a noob? you all can call the events leading up to the crash whatever you want...thats beside the point. that runoff area is intended to be just that....a run off...for error. correct me if im wrong but it is not intended to include mine fields, vert ramps, ditches or dare i say it.....sand bags. it seems pretty clear to me that his suspension was not set up for sand bags and very clearly aided in him getting tossed over the bars and royally ....... him up.

This is not your run of the mill "oops i laid my bike down and hurt myself". there is an entirely different dynamic here.
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I have no track experience so im purely speaking out of my ... but i kinda agree with him. Running wide like that couldve happened to anyone so the sand bags should not have been there.

It does suck that the society now is all about suing but this one isnt that simple imo.

Whats the purpose of the bags anyways and are you allowed to still ride if you miss the orientation?
 
I would ask:

What is the standard for the track operator?
Perfection?



Then what should be the standard for the rider?

From the video, he messed up big. Had he not done so there would not be an issue.

Both parties could have maybe done better.

But don't blame someone else for the problem you started by screwing up.

$15 million???? frickin greedy lawyer, string him up.
 
panhandler said:
I have no track experience so im purely speaking out of my ... but i kinda agree with him. Running wide like that couldve happened to anyone so the sand bags should not have been there.

It does suck that the society now is all about suing but this one isnt that simple imo.

Whats the purpose of the bags anyways and are you allowed to still ride if you miss the orientation?
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Yes you are talking out of your ....
 
The guy ...... his corner for sure but we all have at some stage can't blame him for that but he could have ridden it out if the sand bags were not there .
Track and rider both to blame .
 
I know a guy who blew his 400
2-stroke down the front straight at roebling, rolled out of T1, dumped the bike and fell. Paralyzed.

Did he sue the track or wera? No. Why? Because he wasn’t a .... and knew what going fast on 2 wheels brins with it.





Yea there were sandbags. Maybe those sandbags were there in place of 3ft deep ruts that would have broke the dude’s neck?

Man, people get butthurt over things nowadays...
 
Phl said:
I know a guy who blew his 400
2-stroke down the front straight at roebling, rolled out of T1, dumped the bike and fell. Paralyzed.

Did he sue the track or wera? No. Why? Because he wasn't a .... and knew what going fast on 2 wheels brins with it.





Yea there were sandbags. Maybe those sandbags were there in place of 3ft deep ruts that would have broke the dude's neck?

Man, people get butthurt over things nowadays...
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To be honest I would not expect ruts or sandbags at any track run off should be exactly that if drainage is a issue there are better ways of fixing it other than sand bags it's America you guys can do anything .
 
wilkson said:
To be honest I would not expect ruts or sandbags at any track run off should be exactly that if drainage is a issue there are better ways of fixing it other than sand bags it's America you guys can do anything .
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It's all down to cost and everyone trying to make mega profits.

Can't keep making these mega profits yearly without something going wrong relying on bandaid solutions.
 
Halo2 said:
Which is why there is so many dumb c*nts in the world can't think for themselves (autocorrect and calculators) and when they do f*ck up get big payouts like the cruise control on a winnebago.

https://www.chron.com/news/casey/article/Incredible-lawsuit-tales-1826357.php

If you work in the mines here a 5min task could take 3-4hrs in doing JHA/Take 5 and chasing someone to authorise the permit to work.
Normal jobs are starting to bring this .... in.

Time is money if its being pissed away to make things beyond safe then someone has to pay or cutting corners happens.

I work with university degree people and get .... like 'lights aren't working urgent please' get up there and they haven't switched them on.
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I have had the same experience, we had a guy working on a mine site in Queensland, got a flat tyre, because he hadn't done the competency training to change a tyre he had to wait for the mechanics to come out to his vehicle and change it......he was paid for two days on standby waiting to change a flat trye.
It astounds me that we can actually get anything out of the ground at all.
 

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