Lawsuit from a Panigale Rider

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So if sandbag wasnt there, there would be a drain/rut etc to hit instead.


Guess it will get to the stage where you wont be able to take a road bike on a track again unless its a race bike.

My Track had a guy lose a leg track day ride a few years ago. The club had to do no Passing - unless on main straight, and break-out lap times for a number of meetings untill they were cleared and changed some writing in the Clubs operating procedures.
 
I will probably receive a ration of .... for this but oh well, here goes..

I think a lot of people are missing the point here. I don't side with the figure being asked (i think its ludicrous) but the sandbags should not be in place after they've served their intended purpose.

So what if he took the corner wide? so what if he's a noob? you all can call the events leading up to the crash whatever you want...thats beside the point. that runoff area is intended to be just that....a run off...for error. correct me if im wrong but it is not intended to include mine fields, vert ramps, ditches or dare i say it.....sand bags. it seems pretty clear to me that his suspension was not set up for sand bags and very clearly aided in him getting tossed over the bars and royally ....... him up.

This is not your run of the mill "oops i laid my bike down and hurt myself". there is an entirely different dynamic here.
 
Some virtue in all of the above, but and this is the but , this will ultimately lead to more senarios where ....... there was water laying on the track, or there is still oil on the track from the car day, or that wall was to close for a run off , or that part of the track is exposed to high winds, or how come the paint on the kerb is slippery on your track, or .... I hit a kangaroo (happens in Australia, yes on track), or I hit a goose exiting the corner ( actually saw this happen last ride day! Cape Barren geese have a wing span of 6 ft, so no small issue, and are always at Phillip Island and mysteriously disappear the week before Moto GP . See where this all leads to.
 
I have been to tracks where on the gravel run offs (especially on fast turns) they purposely make undulations in the gravel to stop cars. That would result in the same experience as this guy if a motorcycle were to run off. I dont think the track operators should have responsibility for clearing the run off areas but they should allow a walk-the-track session for people who are there for the first time, so they can examine the asphalt quality and hazards at their own leisure.
 
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The way HSE is these days, you would probably find that the organiser would
still be negligent due to letting him ride at all without attending the briefing,
and also their subsequent failure to have a system in place to ensure this control
measure was in adhered to.

The debris in run off areas will be a separate point .

Its a sad state of affairs that there is so much litigation these days. It really is a business,
all by itself.
 
@Halo2

You think the mines are time consuming to do the most simplistic task...Try working in Nuclear power.

NOLA
 
This is a copy from my comment earlier last week. Still stands.

As a racer with over 30 years of experience. The rider should have said something about the sandbags during the warm up laps.As far as the track owner. Those sandbags should have never been there.As an owner you know there are going to be all levels of riders at your track. A 1st time track rider is not going to know or understand what an unsafe track condition is -vs- an experienced track day rider. I for one would have said to the owner. "Either remove the sands bags or refund my money" No way any race organisation would allow those on the outside of a turn. Moto America, WERA or Moto Gp. My point is that this guy may have signed a waiver but if he had zero track knowledge and was trying to learn how to ride and enjoy his bike in a safe environment the owner didn't provide that for him.

However this person had done 10 laps around the track didn't say anything AND missed the safety meeting. Most of the negligence is on his part. And some of it is with the owner of the track for not providing an safe condition for those that are 1st timers at a track and are fully unaware of recognizing how unsafe the existing conditions are after the safety meeting.
 
tyguidry said:
I will probably receive a ration of .... for this but oh well, here goes..

I think a lot of people are missing the point here. I don't side with the figure being asked (i think its ludicrous) but the sandbags should not be in place after they've served their intended purpose.

So what if he took the corner wide? so what if he's a noob? you all can call the events leading up to the crash whatever you want...thats beside the point. that runoff area is intended to be just that....a run off...for error. correct me if im wrong but it is not intended to include mine fields, vert ramps, ditches or dare i say it.....sand bags. it seems pretty clear to me that his suspension was not set up for sand bags and very clearly aided in him getting tossed over the bars and royally ....... him up.

This is not your run of the mill "oops i laid my bike down and hurt myself". there is an entirely different dynamic here.
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I have no track experience so im purely speaking out of my ass but i kinda agree with him. Running wide like that couldve happened to anyone so the sand bags should not have been there.

It does suck that the society now is all about suing but this one isnt that simple imo.

Whats the purpose of the bags anyways and are you allowed to still ride if you miss the orientation?
 
The guy ...... his corner for sure but we all have at some stage can't blame him for that but he could have ridden it out if the sand bags were not there .
Track and rider both to blame .
 
I know a guy who blew his 400
2-stroke down the front straight at roebling, rolled out of T1, dumped the bike and fell. Paralyzed.

Did he sue the track or wera? No. Why? Because he wasn’t a dick and knew what going fast on 2 wheels brins with it.





Yea there were sandbags. Maybe those sandbags were there in place of 3ft deep ruts that would have broke the dude’s neck?

Man, people get butthurt over things nowadays...
 
Phl said:
I know a guy who blew his 400
2-stroke down the front straight at roebling, rolled out of T1, dumped the bike and fell. Paralyzed.

Did he sue the track or wera? No. Why? Because he wasn't a dick and knew what going fast on 2 wheels brins with it.





Yea there were sandbags. Maybe those sandbags were there in place of 3ft deep ruts that would have broke the dude's neck?

Man, people get butthurt over things nowadays...
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To be honest I would not expect ruts or sandbags at any track run off should be exactly that if drainage is a issue there are better ways of fixing it other than sand bags it's America you guys can do anything .
 

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