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outhouse said:
This is a personal problem and it makes me question your riding ability.



What a troll post.


If you don't set sag and tire pressure then its your own fault.



My S, with only a few turns of the rear spring to get sag correct and setting tire pressure correctly, runs like a raped ape and is nimble fast and stable.


You sound like a bike spoiled noob who expects way too much.
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Seems a little harsh there dude.... Mark has had his fair share of issues and I am sure he has no agenda to troll the 1199.....
White pani has had 3 ducs that have caused him angst... My question is...why did he buy a 3rd?? :p It appears that for whatever reason he has no luck with this brand... It sucks that Ducati have seemingly not improved their QC(enough) and in this market that's going to come back to bite them... Ducati!!! You need to improve!!
Reading the many posts on here they do seem dwell on the negative..Is this the nature of a forum??
 
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outhouse said:
Have you ever thought we get tired of spoiled kids and their whiney post?


The internet is a place where you get no cheese with your whine, but that doesn't stop us from turning our backs to excess whining.
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I'm not sure if you're referring to me as a spoiled kid that whines or the individuals who have had problems, but I am neither. Nor do I see how white13's solitary post with absolutely no response to insulting comments can be misconstrued as excess whining.

I am familiar with Marks thread and the comments made within it, but an entire post dedicated to a riders short comings does not validate your comment or have any correlation to product quality. I know where you're coming from regarding the excess whining, and would agree with you on 90% of the post out there, but that wasn't the focus of my post. If Mark was a poor reference to use in your eyes, feel free to insert another member who's confronted issues.
 
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Stw- IMO negativity can flourish in forums because the vast majority don't join or comment unless they run into an issue and need advice and/or support. For those of us who read forums almost daily as a form of entertainment and for a sincere interest and love in a particular bike it makes things seem biased. Atleast more so towards the problems and negativity, but there is no denying...the pani has had her fair share of issues.

The frustrating thing for me is the lack of unity. I've been on other forums where active members literally act like a family and treat each other as such. Here everyone just seems to quarrel and bicker.
 
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Ashes said:
Stw- IMO negativity can flourish in forums because the vast majority don't join or comment unless they run into an issue and need advice and/or support. For those of us who read forums almost daily as a form of entertainment and for a sincere interest and love in a particular bike it makes things seem biased. Atleast more so towards the problems and negativity, but there is no denying...the pani has had her fair share of issues.

The frustrating thing for me is the lack of unity. I've been on other forums where active members literally act like a family and treat each other as such. Here everyone just seems to quarrel and bicker.
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Ashes..You make a valid point..... How do you suggest we move in that direction???
Please bear in mind that many people on here feel protective of the brand and attacking it will engender responses ..as we have seen....
 
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Honestly, I have no idea. :confused: I dont know theres anything management of a forum can do until the members realize not everyone out there is against them. Nor is posting a frustration or concern a personal attack on their baby. We are all here for a common love of motorcycling and more specifically for the 1199. Responses should be geared towards supporting each others needs, answering questions, and resolving problems, not amplifying them. Btw, please don't misconstrue any of this as a hit on your ability as a mod. I can honestly say I thoroughly enjoy your posts and think you are doing your part. The biggest thing we need is everyone else to do theirs.
 
Thank you for your comments.... I totally understand your feelings... Perhaps we all take things too seriously and to heart???
I know people get very defensive about the bike and claim its perfect...and others just rip it to pieces...but I think we know the reality lies somewhere in the middle...Its a great but flawed machine (much like this forum lol) .... It would be great to build some kinship amongst the owners here and I would be very keen to see that... Forlorn hope?? Diverse opinions are the essence of debate...maybe a greater level of respect wouldn't hurt....
 
Stw said:
Thank you for your comments.... I totally understand your feelings... Perhaps we all take things too seriously and to heart???
I know people get very defensive about the bike and claim its perfect...and others just rip it to pieces...but I think we know the reality lies somewhere in the middle...Its a great but flawed machine (much like this forum lol) .... It would be great to build some kinship amongst the owners here and I would be very keen to see that... Forlorn hope?? Diverse opinions are the essence of debate...maybe a greater level of respect wouldn't hurt....
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Couldn't agree with you more there...
 
Ashes said:
At what point will the seemingly countless complaints impact the perception that ducati can do no wrong? I understand every brand has problems, thats not the point. The point is the the open acceptance of those problems as "one of the many aspects that make ducati ownership so special." Are you kidding me...grow up. Cloner hit the nail on the head stating the days of justification for a boutique brand are long gone.

That said, as I read this I am blown away at the disrespect you guys have towards anyone who questions their ownership or relays their frustration. If I or any other new member post a frustration it is brushed off with complete disregard and labeled as a trolling attempt, lack of passion, or another bullsh!t excuse. Which I suppose is understandable as post count can sometimes have a direct correlation to credibility. Sure you get your post whores who contribute nothing more than worthless banter, but you also get those wih an incredible knowledge base to share. That is what amazes me. Active members like White13 and Mark convey their opinions and frustrustions and are immediatly met with disregard such as "Have a good one," "these bikes are not for everybody," "nature of the beast," "GLWS," etc etc. Are their opinions not valuable enough? Would complaints from revered posters, like Stw, Antihero, etc. hold more weight?

Show some unity and pride as owners, support each other instead of the brand and Ducati might actually start having to change their inherently problematic designs instead of blatantly ignoring them or issuing band-aid fixes like rear hugger, lower fairing, dash display replacements that will fail just like the parts preceding them. Until finally your warranty expires and you have to cover the expense yourselves.
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i want to love the bike i really do. It brings a smile to my face whenever i ride it and there arent problems. except if i have a good week then there is a bad week. i have 1000 of posts and likes but when i mention anything negative its never ducati or the bike, its always thats the soul or thats what ducati is about. Seriously soul about always being in the shop? God forbid i mention another brand especially the hp4 then all hell brakes loose. this is my first and last ducati. i will never ever do it again. i will not sell it cause i will take a bath on it. a friend of mine told me i was not a true ducatista whatever that is. he has an 1198s. i had ever single problem that has been mentioned and i have a ....... stealership department that i have to call ducati NA to get what i am entitled to. the point isnt that it will be fixed under warentee the point is it shouldnt have to be.
read my post if i knew then what i know now. you can substitute any brand there for bmw. my point was the bike isnt worth the money. i got it cause i didnt want to say what if when i was going to buy the r1 at the time. i wanted the best and this bike is NOT the best. its good but not worth the money. Now i am saying what if i got the r1 i know this for sure i would have another 15k in my bank account
 
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I know this is kinda out of context but I would say the same about us people.. we are in no way perfect and are flawed human beings. Its the moral judgment that we make in our lives that put us in the good or the bad side of the spectrum...

And some people accept us inspite of our flaws while others may outright hate us.. its not to look at things as black and white and it can be gray..
 
outhouse said:
This is a personal problem and it makes me question your riding ability.



What a troll post.


If you don't set sag and tire pressure then its your own fault.



My S, with only a few turns of the rear spring to get sag correct and setting tire pressure correctly, runs like a raped ape and is nimble fast and stable.


You sound like a bike spoiled noob who expects way too much.
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dude you serious you know nothing about me . ive been riding for years. would you like to call Scott Russell with me and verify who i have ridden with and who has taught me. troll post cause i bashed ducati? ive been trained at the track by the best in the business. i ride my own personal bike very aggressively. I have 4 friends that race or have raced regularly. one of them was AMA and he says the same thing the front and speed isnt stable in corners and is a mechanic without a license but we are all wrong.

maybe its your riding ability that doesnt notice all the floors cause your not good enough. Maybe your jelous cause you say im spoiled why cause i have this bike and am getting an hp4 shortly? i know its the net you make a gazillon dollars. regardless if you do or not if you spend 30k for a bike there shouldnt be this many problems.

as i said i was on a friends bike it was how it comes from the dealer. i didnt touch it. Yes it wasnt personally set up for me but it should not be scary to ride the bike. As i also said i have no problem riding MY bike. Every person that has ridden that particular bike says the same thing so we are all noobs and trolls right. i can tell you this for a fact . if that was a demo bike and i rode it before i bought it i would not have this bike right now. springs and sag give me a break do you tweek every bike before you ride it. if your buddy says ride my bike to you do you say wait i have to set everything up perfect before i can get on it so riding it wont be scary? i got it you say ok i will ride your bike leave it with me for the day i will set it up and ride it tomorrow
 
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i also post good things too. look at what i post. if its good i post it, bad i post it, if it can help someone i post it. i have no agenda nor do i care what my lap times are as i will never be a pro. I also dont care what your lap times may be as i have never heard of you. so unless your name is JLO MM Rossi Hayden Scott Russell Josh Hayes Garrett Gerloff Josh Herrin Casey Stoner etc i dont care what you think my riding ability is.
I am also not a blind brand loyalist. if the brand has problems it has problems. It shows on here in Wsbk motogp etc.

i know superstock is closest to what we have
 
To all who really give a ..... Marks been a friend if mine since we met on this forum over a year ago. I've taken him under my wing si to speak, truly taken him inside his first AMA races at NJMP and introduced him to all my racer friends along the way. He's not a mooch, not conceded, soaks up as much as one can when it comes to motorcycle riding and racing- especially with his first Ducati sportbike. All in all he's been a good friend who I enjoy hanging out with and sharing experiences in common with our Panigales.

Despite his outspoken nature when it comes to the issues he has experienced with his bike, and the negativity he has shown toward Ducati I would not change my point of view of who he is as a friend. Perhaps he (and others) may have just happened to receive lemons with their bikes that unfortunately gave them these troubles I dunno. I personally have not have any issues with my Tri which would cause me to write much of them. I've also been a true die hard Ducati brand loyalist for over 25 years and owned many of them so I'm not going anywhere.

If Mark, or anyone else for that matter decides this bike is not for them any longer and wish to move onto any different sportbike I wish them the very best and would never be someone to slam them, belittle them, or take cheap shots at them and their point of view on things - let alone call them a troll or newbie or question their riding ability. I could truly care less about this stuff and not think less of them for riding any different brand (with one exception) so I'm not quite clear on why there is such an issue over all this .... regarding him. Mark will still be my good friend and still be on my invite list for AMA spots within the Graves Yamaha tent area despite the fact he is an eating machine! Lol

To those seeking another direction in life for what they decide to pay for and ride- I say go for it and let me try out whatever you buy a time or two. I'm not switching my train of thought based on his or anyone else's bad experience no matter what they say. I've learned first hand in life that you truly learn who your good friends are when you truly need them the most! I don't need my close friends to ride, wear, or think the same as I do. Dont flaunt .... in my face or go out of your way to ridicule me for what I decude is my bike of choice cause to me that is not a true friend. Other than that everyone is free to make their own decisions and voice your own personal experiences.

Best of luck to you Mark (and others) toward your new direction in whatever it is you decide to ride. You will still be my good buddy with that NY sense of humor. Let the toolbags who wish to publicly slam you go pound sand. Sorry for the long rant here everyone- im pretty supportive of my friends and those who have been there for me. Semper Fidelis!

Gunny
 
Stw said:
Seems a little harsh there dude....
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I agree to a point.

So is saying a perfectly good bike is a pile that cannot even drive in a straight line correctly.


This is one of the best bikes I have ever bought that worked so well out of the box. When I see marks bias barfed out, I think he needs to be called on some of it.



Reading the many posts on here they do seem dwell on the negative..Is this the nature of a forum??
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I think it's the nature of the net so to speak.


Its a place where people can gather and complain. I prefer the positive learning aspects.
 
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Gunny Fitz said:
To all who really give a ..... Marks been a friend if mine since we met on this forum over a year ago. I've taken him under my wing si to speak, truly taken him inside his first AMA races at NJMP and introduced him to all my racer friends along the way. He's not a mooch, not conceded, soaks up as much as one can when it comes to motorcycle riding and racing- especially with his first Ducati sportbike. All in all he's been a good friend who I enjoy hanging out with and sharing experiences in common with our Panigales.

Despite his outspoken nature when it comes to the issues he has experienced with his bike, and the negativity he has shown toward Ducati I would not change my point of view of who he is as a friend. Perhaps he (and others) may have just happened to receive lemons with their bikes that unfortunately gave them these troubles I dunno. I personally have not have any issues with my Tri which would cause me to write much of them. I've also been a true die hard Ducati brand loyalist for over 25 years and owned many of them so I'm not going anywhere.

If Mark, or anyone else for that matter decides this bike is not for them any longer and wish to move onto any different sportbike I wish them the very best and would never be someone to slam them, belittle them, or take cheap shots at them and their point of view on things - let alone call them a troll or newbie or question their riding ability. I could truly care less about this stuff and not think less of them for riding any different brand (with one exception) so I'm not quite clear on why there is such an issue over all this .... regarding him. Mark will still be my good friend and still be on my invite list for AMA spots within the Graves Yamaha tent area despite the fact he is an eating machine! Lol

To those seeking another direction in life for what they decide to pay for and ride- I say go for it and let me try out whatever you buy a time or two. I'm not switching my train of thought based on his or anyone else's bad experience no matter what they say. I've learned first hand in life that you truly learn who your good friends are when you truly need them the most! I don't need my close friends to ride, wear, or think the same as I do. Dont flaunt .... in my face or go out of your way to ridicule me for what I decude is my bike of choice cause to me that is not a true friend. Other than that everyone is free to make their own decisions and voice your own personal experiences.

Best of luck to you Mark (and others) toward your new direction in whatever it is you decide to ride. You will still be my good buddy with that NY sense of humor. Let the toolbags who wish to publicly slam you go pound sand. Sorry for the long rant here everyone- im pretty supportive of my friends and those who have been there for me. Semper Fidelis!

Gunny
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Appreciate your support for Mark and White there Gunny after what they have gone through.. guess people will never understand their situation unless they experience it themselves..

I too wish them both the best of luck and may they have a trouble free riding experience with whatever machine they decide to go with..
 
mark419ny said:
as i said i was on a friends bike it was how it comes from the dealer. i didnt touch it. Yes it wasnt personally set up for me but it should not be scary to ride the bike.
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Then I would not complain about it. You took the first chance you could to trash our bikes withholding the truth.

You knew it wasn't set up, and I figured as much. I called you on it and was correct.


Set up was the problem, yet that wasn't what you blamed was it Mark?



Every person that has ridden that particular bike says the same thing so we are all noobs and trolls right.
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So if everybody rides a bike with suspension settings off and tire pressures way to high, that gives you a right to slam the brand?


if your buddy says ride my bike to you do you say wait i have to set everything up perfect before i can get on it so riding it wont be scary?
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If you jump on a bike with 40psi its your fault, no one else's

But scary? the first second I feel something wrong I slow down and turn around and give the bike back and tell that dude to set up his bike better.

What I don't do is get on the net and slam the brand because I decided to scare myself from my own ignorance.



Mark, your not a bad dude, and I don't have a issue with your lap times or ability. I understand your frustration with having mechanical issues. But you dont state this when it applies to all motorcycles and blame Ducati for someone elses set up issues.

its not stable at speed (front is all over the place) has a temperament all its own, feels like it wants to throw you and always feels like you are in the wrong gear.
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I bought a 2012 left over om August 31. I have 3600 miles on her and the only issue I've had is the clutch. I bled the clutch and the issue was resolved.
 
Ashes said:
Here everyone just seems to quarrel and bicker.
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IMHO

This is one of the best motorcycle forums ive been in. Pretty tame compared to most.


Thick skin still is required.


I'm not sure if you're referring to me as a spoiled kid
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Nope.


If Mark was a poor reference to use in your eyes, feel free to insert another member who's confronted issues.
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My only complaint about mark was him making a statement about Ducati that would apply to every motorcycle ever rode.

The brand has its issues but rideability is not one of them.


Its not the complaint I have issues with, its how one goes about it.
 
outhouse i dont take what is said here personally as i know where i am and i know what will be said before its said just not by who. i bashed that bike. i said i road the white pani and it was scary for that bike. i also road my friends 1198s which isnt set up for me and at no time did i have a confidence issue with it. i was commenting on that particular bike.
 

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