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:p I said that in reference to the debate between the two break in methods, not necessarily anything said by you or your friend.

For others who might be reading as well as myself, can you go into further detail about what your mechanic said. I believe there to be merit there, just need some more convincing. Also, you seem to be a proponent of a hard break in as well so what kept you from dynoing the bike like you normally would...Above the advice your friend gave you.
 
:p I said that in reference to the debate between the two break in methods, not necessarily anything said by you or your friend.

For others who might be reading as well as myself, can you go into further detail about what your mechanic said. I believe there to be merit there, just need some more convincing. Also, you seem to be a proponent of a hard break in as well so what kept you from dynoing the bike like you normally would...Above the advice your friend gave you.

He was not the only one . We have quite a few Pani's racing most went for the soft break in a few with the dyno I went with the advice of people who know more than me .
 
I'm largely with you on this.
Only they don't actually .... me (yet), but I'm a bit disappointed in their incessant whining.

To Mark and White, I say with reference to a quote by Gunny Highway in Heartbreak Ridge, "You will adapt, improvise and overcome".

Sorry:(

fantastic movie. thats the sound of an ak47 assault rifle. the preferred weapon of our enemy.
 
Once you get past the price tag and realize this is an advanced piece of machinery that needs more attention than others, your sorrows will dissapear. Just my .02, but I used to fix multiple weapon systems in the military ranging from pistols to 155mm howitzers. Now, I may be opening a door here but, when something becomes more "advanced" meaning more mechanical and electronic moving parts that are also dependent on one another, your chances of failure increase. Nothing comes without a cost.

Here's an example (just the basics):
M198 howitzer (M198 howitzer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)
-older era, invented during Vietnam conflict, up til a few years ago where they are now being replaced with newer models which I will get to.
-Weighs roughly 8 tons
-Basic devices used to elevate, simplistic independent nitrogen/oil pressurized systems. Used to elevate, for recoil damping, and return damping.
-Made from mostly steel and aluminum.
-Max range 18.6 miles
-Not very light, or versatile, large trucks and helicopters needed to transport. Limited space on jet aircraft due to weight load limits. Most transported by naval ships.
-Very simple to fix, practically hit most things with a hammer and they will start working again (I.E. Breach lock)
-Cost $527,000 (rounded)


M777A2 howitzer (M777 howitzer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)
-New kid on the block, replaces the M198. Built by the UK.
-Weighs roughly 4.5 tons (according to our manual, Wiki has data discrepancy claiming 3.8 tons, regardless it is nearly half the weight of the M198)
-Nitrogen/oil systems used thoroughly through the howitzer. Ensures dropping of loading tray, closing of breach, recoil damping, return damping, slave system for loading systems, suspension, etc. 100's of oil lines. Very complex and dependent systems dependent on each other, break an oil line (just like pulling a lightbulb from your christmas tree, a chain will fail)
-Good portion of it is made from titanium, the rest is mixed steel and aluminum.
-Max range 25 miles (we shot an excalibur round that effectively hit the mouth of a cave at 27.5 miles)
-Because these are so light, small trucks can be used to transport, we can drop it from aircraft and the firing crew and have it setup and ready to fire in roughly 15 minutes. Was designed to be carried by a blackhawk, but fell short of the load limit. Very versatile weapon.
-Not quite as reliable as the M198 (many more moving parts)
-Cost $1.6 million

Even though we sacrificed a more reliable weapon for a more advanced one, we gained over 7 miles of range, a faster fire rate, less weight, digital fire control (we can drop a round within 5 meters of target at 25 miles, ensures accuracy to half mils instead of 1 mils), does it make a difference? Well, it's life and death, I heard enough stories from men/women we support to know it does, keeping convoys from being overrun, outlying remote bases as well. But as the mechanic for twelve of these guns, they need to be watched and have well trained personnel keeping the guns running. Requires much more attention than the dinosaur M198.

Ducati is just like the M777. It has more moving parts and more advanced electronics than most bikes. This makes it a rather unreliable machine at times. This machine makes cornering easy, but demands more attention. I have so far put over 22k on my base model within the last year and a quarter. It hasn't been easy... it caught fire due to a severed spark plug 2 weeks after I bought it. Cam cover gasket has leaked several times, just slightly. Forks lost rebound damping. Display malfunctioned several times. It was losing power at the track last time I went out, not sure what the cause of this is yet.

But all in all I have stuck with this machine like glue. I trust my dealer to ensure that it is fixed when it malfunctions and so far they haven't dissapointed. I have to keep on top of it as well, I pull the fairings off almost every week to check for any leaks. Make sure tires, oil, coolant, the basic necessities are up to par. Sorry for your oil leak, it could be worse though, it could catch on fire while you're riding it :D I stay dedicated. Nothing puts a bigger smile on my face than the feel of that Desmo engine thumping away! Sorry for your struggle. But no matter what machine you buy, the more moving parts and the more advanced it becomes, the more you increase your chance of failure. Everything comes at a cost= lighter, faster, safer machine>> decreased reliability, increased cost. Take care!
 
I ride my 1199 with a great group of guys that include both Mark and Dylan. Both men are quite passionate about motorcycles and riding. They would rather ride their bikes and not have to deal with the problems that they have experienced. Is that a lot to ask for? I would think not.

BTW, can someone please tell me where the cut-out is for oil viewer on my bike???? just saying'"¦..:D
 

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I ride my 1199 with a great group of guys that include both Mark and Dylan. Both men are quite passionate about motorcycles and riding. They would rather ride their bikes and not have to deal with the problems that they have experienced. Is that a lot to ask for? I would think not.

BTW, can someone please tell me where the cut-out is for oil viewer on my bike???? just saying'"¦..:D

I think most people here can understand and even commend posters for having passion about the bikes they ride.... But I also feel that when posts that some people leave seem to be continuous ongoing rants full of expletives and decrying the very reason for this forum as "garbage" i.e. the Panigale... then this becomes self defeating and old..... I think as adults we should be able to express ourselves intelligently..yes with force....but sagaciously enough that members will read them and not simply tune them out....I for one have begun to ignore certain posts as they show zero tolerance balance or even humility....

Maybe more people will start to do the same...:)

I believe that trolls die if you do not feed them?? :cool:
 
I ride my 1199 with a great group of guys that include both Mark and Dylan. Both men are quite passionate about motorcycles and riding. They would rather ride their bikes and not have to deal with the problems that they have experienced. Is that a lot to ask for? I would think not.

BTW, can someone please tell me where the cut-out is for oil viewer on my bike???? just saying'"¦..:D

Whos the girl putting oil in the R?
 
I do t believe that canister was the idea of some engineer in Bologna. I believe it's due to US environmental regulations is it?

My dealer removed them from all 3 of my bikes on first service...
 
I do t believe that canister was the idea of some engineer in Bologna. I believe it's due to US environmental regulations is it?

My dealer removed them from all 3 of my bikes on first service...

That was the culprit with my warm start issue"¦"¦ Once the canister went bye-bye the warm start issue followed suit. 500 miles later, I'm still good"¦.
 
Adding to this.
Mine had oil leaking.
Took it in for a service, given oil was low and I wanted the clutch and brake fluid replaced also.
Had a warranty job done for the leaks.
No that I was fussed on the leaks. Concerned the oil was low.
So I can't argue with the service I got!
 
I haven't given much of a s*** towards this thread since the minute I posted it. I haven't read any of it, and really don't care to, I've got no time.
Just a quick update. Bike has been in for a week and a half. Guess what?
"Oh, well parts should be here next Thursday."

Really?
Another 2+ weeks out of service.
.... Ducati, and forget the half of you who are completely brain dead and defending this bike. As I've said, I'd love to see you people own two of these and see them cumulatively spend 3 months in the shop for being pieces of .....

Honestly, how many of you have a garage queen? Or a track only bike with 45 miles on it? Or, uh, you don't even own the 1199, yet you try calling my out? LOL


These things couldn't sell fast enough. Anyone have any way I could contact DNA Corporate dweebs and give them a piece of my mind?? If so, please PM me.
Its 2013, not 1973. this .... should get here in 2 days from italy. Not two weeks. Unacceptable.

Know anyone wanting a white 13 S with 7,200 pm me. title in hand for the s
Know anyone wanting a 13 R with 4,100 pm me. lien on title at local credit union
These bikes NEED to go.

Flame on...
 
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I haven't given much of a s*** towards this thread since the minute I posted it. I haven't read any of it, and really don't care to, I've got no time.
Just a quick update. Bike has been in for a week and a half. Guess what?
"Oh, well parts should be here next Thursday."

Really?
Another 2+ weeks out of service.
.... Ducati, and forget the half of you who are completely brain dead and defending this bike. As I've said, I'd love to see you people own two of these and see them cumulatively spend 3 months in the shop for being pieces of .....

Honestly, how many of you have a garage queen? Or a track only bike with 45 miles on it? Or, uh, you don't even own the 1199, yet you try calling my out? LOL


These things couldn't sell fast enough. Anyone have any way I could contact DNA Corporate dweebs and give them a piece of my mind?? If so, please PM me.
Its 2013, not 1973. this .... should get here in 2 days from italy. Not two weeks. Unacceptable.

Know anyone wanting a white 13 S with 7,200 pm me. title in hand for the s
Know anyone wanting a 13 R with 4,100 pm me. lien on title at local credit union
These bikes NEED to go.

Flame on...

No flaming intended. Had a similar issue with my 2007 S4RS and contacted DNA (your dealership will be the best source for giving you a phone number for the higher ups).
I thought if you don't let the company know about the issues they won't be able to address them and think everything they do is just peachy.
When doing that, keep emotions at bay and use facts exclusively. You will get a lot more attention and traction when it comes to solving any issues.
 
Once you get past the price tag and realize this is an advanced piece of machinery that needs more attention than others, your sorrows will dissapear. Just my .02, but I used to fix multiple weapon systems in the military ranging from pistols to 155mm howitzers. Now, I may be opening a door here but, when something becomes more "advanced" meaning more mechanical and electronic moving parts that are also dependent on one another, your chances of failure increase. Nothing comes without a cost.

Here's an example (just the basics):
M198 howitzer (M198 howitzer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)
-older era, invented during Vietnam conflict, up til a few years ago where they are now being replaced with newer models which I will get to.
-Weighs roughly 8 tons
-Basic devices used to elevate, simplistic independent nitrogen/oil pressurized systems. Used to elevate, for recoil damping, and return damping.
-Made from mostly steel and aluminum.
-Max range 18.6 miles
-Not very light, or versatile, large trucks and helicopters needed to transport. Limited space on jet aircraft due to weight load limits. Most transported by naval ships.
-Very simple to fix, practically hit most things with a hammer and they will start working again (I.E. Breach lock)
-Cost $527,000 (rounded)


M777A2 howitzer (M777 howitzer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)
-New kid on the block, replaces the M198. Built by the UK.
-Weighs roughly 4.5 tons (according to our manual, Wiki has data discrepancy claiming 3.8 tons, regardless it is nearly half the weight of the M198)
-Nitrogen/oil systems used thoroughly through the howitzer. Ensures dropping of loading tray, closing of breach, recoil damping, return damping, slave system for loading systems, suspension, etc. 100's of oil lines. Very complex and dependent systems dependent on each other, break an oil line (just like pulling a lightbulb from your christmas tree, a chain will fail)
-Good portion of it is made from titanium, the rest is mixed steel and aluminum.
-Max range 25 miles (we shot an excalibur round that effectively hit the mouth of a cave at 27.5 miles)
-Because these are so light, small trucks can be used to transport, we can drop it from aircraft and the firing crew and have it setup and ready to fire in roughly 15 minutes. Was designed to be carried by a blackhawk, but fell short of the load limit. Very versatile weapon.
-Not quite as reliable as the M198 (many more moving parts)
-Cost $1.6 million

Even though we sacrificed a more reliable weapon for a more advanced one, we gained over 7 miles of range, a faster fire rate, less weight, digital fire control (we can drop a round within 5 meters of target at 25 miles, ensures accuracy to half mils instead of 1 mils), does it make a difference? Well, it's life and death, I heard enough stories from men/women we support to know it does, keeping convoys from being overrun, outlying remote bases as well. But as the mechanic for twelve of these guns, they need to be watched and have well trained personnel keeping the guns running. Requires much more attention than the dinosaur M198.

Ducati is just like the M777. It has more moving parts and more advanced electronics than most bikes. This makes it a rather unreliable machine at times. This machine makes cornering easy, but demands more attention. I have so far put over 22k on my base model within the last year and a quarter. It hasn't been easy... it caught fire due to a severed spark plug 2 weeks after I bought it. Cam cover gasket has leaked several times, just slightly. Forks lost rebound damping. Display malfunctioned several times. It was losing power at the track last time I went out, not sure what the cause of this is yet.

But all in all I have stuck with this machine like glue. I trust my dealer to ensure that it is fixed when it malfunctions and so far they haven't dissapointed. I have to keep on top of it as well, I pull the fairings off almost every week to check for any leaks. Make sure tires, oil, coolant, the basic necessities are up to par. Sorry for your oil leak, it could be worse though, it could catch on fire while you're riding it :D I stay dedicated. Nothing puts a bigger smile on my face than the feel of that Desmo engine thumping away! Sorry for your struggle. But no matter what machine you buy, the more moving parts and the more advanced it becomes, the more you increase your chance of failure. Everything comes at a cost= lighter, faster, safer machine>> decreased reliability, increased cost. Take care!


I skimmed like three sentences of this and am scratching my head... :confused:

You're comparing racing motorcycles to missiles the military uses?
Yeah... I'm not reading this thread as I'm sure its full of other similar nonsense.
 
No flaming intended. Had a similar issue with my 2007 S4RS and contacted DNA (your dealership will be the best source for giving you a phone number for the higher ups).
I thought if you don't let the company know about the issues they won't be able to address them and think everything they do is just peachy.
When doing that, keep emotions at bay and use facts exclusively. You will get a lot more attention and traction when it comes to solving any issues.

Thanks zaster.
I don't care much to break "my" dealerships balls anymore. Its simply the bikes in and of themselves that are the problem.

Have a good one ;)
 
I haven't given much of a s*** towards this thread since the minute I posted it. I haven't read any of it, and really don't care to, I've got no time.
Just a quick update. Bike has been in for a week and a half. Guess what?
"Oh, well parts should be here next Thursday."

Really?
Another 2+ weeks out of service.
.... Ducati, and forget the half of you who are completely brain dead and defending this bike. As I've said, I'd love to see you people own two of these and see them cumulatively spend 3 months in the shop for being pieces of .....

Honestly, how many of you have a garage queen? Or a track only bike with 45 miles on it? Or, uh, you don't even own the 1199, yet you try calling my out? LOL


These things couldn't sell fast enough. Anyone have any way I could contact DNA Corporate dweebs and give them a piece of my mind?? If so, please PM me.
Its 2013, not 1973. this .... should get here in 2 days from italy. Not two weeks. Unacceptable.

Know anyone wanting a white 13 S with 7,200 pm me. title in hand for the s
Know anyone wanting a 13 R with 4,100 pm me. lien on title at local credit union
These bikes NEED to go.

Flame on...


Dude, I don't usually say .... about anyone, but every thread you post in has so much negativity. Just sell the bike and keep it moving dawg. My bike is no garage queen and the only issue I've had is the clutch, which need to be bled very 2000 miles or so. Takes a minute or two.
 
Ridin' on track. Ridin' on road.

Quality has been top shelf here.

The GSXR and R1-Forum need more trolls...

I heart my R.

 
Thanks zaster.
I don't care much to break "my" dealerships balls anymore. Its simply the bikes in and of themselves that are the problem.

Have a good one ;)

Do voice your issues with DNA. Made me feel a heck of a lot better giving them a piece of my mind. ;)
I did not agree with all their actions and responses but ended up with a bike I still own and decided to buy two more bikes (1098S and 1199R)
Both performed flawlessly and I'm happy I did. ;)
 
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