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Now now children. Be on your best behavior. Take out your frustrations on this butt ugly exhaust, not on one another!
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Ok I'm just trolling here but Jesus I wouldn't take "fluid mechanics" advice from a post with this many spelling errors. Flames fanned... Continue.
haha, Maths > English
because i can't be ...... explaining it myself i show pretty pictuers
Fig. 3 presents velocity vectors along the vertical symmetry plane for pipeline bend (radius of curvature/diameter) R/D = 1.5. The left-to-right flow of the bend has a gas bulk velocity, vb, of 20 m/sec. The velocity contours show flow accelerating close to the inner wall as it enters the pipeline bend due to the favorable pressure gradient at that part of the wall, while it decelerates at the outer wall due to the adverse pressure gradient. This behavior starts to reverse after the bend midpoint, i.e., at a 45° plane. This centrifugal effect causes the particles to partly concentrate closer to the outer wall (Fig. 4).
If you feel like reading check this articles out
http://www.cfd.com.au/cfd_conf09/PDFs/149MOS.pdf
http://nvlpubs.nist.gov/nistpubs/jres/21/jresv21n1p1_A1b.pdf
To Summaries having less bends = a good thing. You will find this is one of the MAIN reason Termi redesign there exhaust system to have the outlet at the front of the exhaust rather than the rear
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How many other languages do you speak? If you do have a 2nd language, how good is your grammar in it?
Oh from a name like kaido I should assume English is is his second language?
Edit: welp it would be funnier if that gif worked. Oh well.
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Figures.
How many HP does a full termi with a custom tune provide?
You can attack me all you want, I don't give a F
In context my statement is this is another company making HP claims that is missing the biggest factor in HP gains, the tune. They are making a claim that is tune dependent.
In my experience the prevailing thought is what aftermarket full exhaust does not require a tune? The point most are making here is that aesthetic judgments aside, Zard took a significantly different approach to the piping. Based on their good reputation and the different design, it seems plausible that their full exhaust may produce better performance with the same AFR tuning that can be done to a Termignoni, Akrapovic, etc.
I wish I had the spare money and was keeping my bike because now I'm so curious I buy it and let my RapidBike Race module automatically tune it so I could do another set of back-to-back runs (RapidBike online and bypassed), just to see what the difference is due to pipe design.
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I have the majority here on this, its one BUTT UGLY system
I have not stood in lava either, but it doesn't take a brain surgeon to know its hot.
LOl
wake up dude.Buy the 2.5 system and then your forced to go out and buy a computer for tuning, then run it down to the nearest dyno which could be hundreds of miles away. It ends up costing you a lot more then 2.5 for BUTT UGLY and little gains over Termi if any, tune dependent. Get a bad tune and you have a crap.
Not only that your comparing it to the most expensive system when you Bring up Akra which is freakin motorcycle jewelry its so sweet.
Because Akra and Termi know so much less then you
In context, maybe you get 2-5 more HP out of the better design once you have spent a $1000 more then a Termi. But your stuck with that BUTT UGLY system.
It is plug and play and works great and provides a very decent tune done by Ducati.
What kind of lies are you trying to pass off on us.
You do know many of the people here are running the full Termi with the upmap key and have no complaints at all.
Not once has someone used the full Termi upmap key and posted negative results here from the tune Ducatis engineers have provided.
Im happy with my full Termi, and we are not seeing many complaints about it.
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True, BUT: a tune can only get so much out of a system, so the better the system, the more the tune will be able to get out of it.
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I have no problem with this opinion.
Different types of consumers here that have multiple choices to meet personal needs . I will focus on 2 types. First most consumers like me and street use. Then second cutting edge track junky/race.
The Termi can or full, comes with a key to unlock the provided Ducati factory tune.
While it is generic and it leaves room for improvement, the ease of plug and play without a doctors visit getting and hooked up to a machine makes it nice for most consumers.
Now if your on the bleeding edge you don't care about looks anyway and HP is your main concern then it may appeal to you, but your now competing against Akra, and this in my opinion doesn't do it. Your also adding weight higher on the bike making it a little less flick able with no real added gains over the Akra.
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Understood.
And we all know tunes are not all the same, as not all tuners have the skills or time or patients, to quickly pump out the every last drop. The grey area there is small but can we say 5HP difference in this application as a base of understanding ?
I can tell you if I had to buy a extra computer and run my bike to the dyno for a tune, I would have stepped up and bought the Akra, and the zard would not be on my radar.
Is it safe to say the Akra gives 20HP after a custom tune ?
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Go back and look at the zard.
No heat protection is provided in any way, insane!
This would not fly for street use, even with ceramic coating.
Phl you have ran a wrapped header with no shields, you think the zard wrapped or coated would be able to be run on the street in any manner?
No heat protection is provided in any way, insane!
This would not fly for street use, even with ceramic coating.
Phl you have ran a wrapped header with no shields, you think the zard wrapped or coated would be able to be run on the street in any manner?
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i think as free flowing as the zard appears (imagine the previous 1098 or 998 systems) i don't think the zard would need that.
the 1199 on the other hand, need s protection on the header.
but wrap is not the way to go to reduce the heat toward acceptance for human sensitivity.
the 1199 on the other hand, need s protection on the header.
but wrap is not the way to go to reduce the heat toward acceptance for human sensitivity.
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Outhouse how does street riding come into it with the ZARD option? The ZARD comes with a cf tailpiece with no place to fit stoplight or flickers?
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Outhouse how does street riding come into it with the ZARD option? The ZARD comes with a cf tailpiece with no place to fit stoplight or flickers?
i think for taht they have a tailpiece for under the pipes similar to the stock 1098
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Outhouse how does street riding come into it with the ZARD option? The ZARD comes with a cf tailpiece with no place to fit stoplight or flickers?
Do your homework brother.
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I have the majority here on this, its one BUTT UGLY system
I have not stood in lava either, but it doesn't take a brain surgeon to know its hot.
LOl
Buy the 2.5 system and then your forced to go out and buy a computer for tuning, then run it down to the nearest dyno which could be hundreds of miles away. It ends up costing you a lot more then 2.5 for BUTT UGLY and little gains over Termi if any, tune dependent. Get a bad tune and you have a crap.
Not only that your comparing it to the most expensive system when you Bring up Akra which is freakin motorcycle jewelry its so sweet.
Because Akra and Termi know so much less then you
In context, maybe you get 2-5 more HP out of the better design once you have spent a $1000 more then a Termi. But your stuck with that BUTT UGLY system.
It is plug and play and works great and provides a very decent tune done by Ducati.
What kind of lies are you trying to pass off on us.
You do know many of the people here are running the full Termi with the upmap key and have no complaints at all.
Not once has someone used the full Termi upmap key and posted negative results here from the tune Ducatis engineers have provided.
Im happy with my full Termi, and we are not seeing many complaints about it.
Again the looks of the system is purely personally opinion, if you where using the 1199 as a track only bike, i do believe this exhaust would be a good opinion.
Regarding heat from the exhaust, i have found most of the heat is coming off the engine, and the upgrade engine heat shield help that alot. Even the akra system lacks a good exhaust heat shield in my opinion. But all this issue can be easily address with coating the exhaust or making a shield.
I still don't understand why people would spend the money putting an exhaust on there bike and not spend the time/money getting a tune. The factory tune and the termi map-up are limited by what ducati/termi can do in terms of a blanket tune that will work for everyone around the world. They can not tune it aggressively because there is a high risk that it will result in damage to the engine because there are so many unknown factors that they can not account for with a product that is available all over the world, where places have different fuels, different weather conditions etc etc
Also my comment regarding the termi-up and poor results isn't a fair tale, the dealership in which i bought my bike had a customer who they installed the termi system and upmap and the bike ran really poor, the owner sent it off to get dyno and they found the bike made less power with the upmap then compare to the factory tune. Maybe it was a one off but that is an issue you may run into when you are using a generic tune.
It's great you are happy with your termi system and up-map. But the fact remains that it actually gives little gains. The reason why i waited so long to get an exhaust on my bike, is that the workshop which did my tune and all my work for that matter. Had done maybe 1199 with the termi system, both using the up-map and custom tuning. And his advice was it offers little gains and did not recommend it as he said it was a waste of money.
There is a reason why termi redesign there exhaust system for the 1199, very rarely does a company do that, it shows that there was design issues and they found a way to address it.
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