New Exhaust

Here is an example:

Ducati Tri Colore
Full Termignoni System
Race Fairings and Slicks Fitted Ready For The Track
Tuneboy ECU Unlock and Full Dyno Tune Mapping Both Front and Rear Cylinders





Now compare it to Full Akra and Tuneboy Custom Tune, Done on the same dyno and same tuner

kaido said:

i have found most of the heat is coming off the engine

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Most of us here have been dealing with different heat issues since the bike came out. Some does come from the engine itself.


What most of us feel is from the header itself as with good shields and coating/wrapping, the heat is manageable.

People who have tried no shield and wrapping/coating have complained of some serious heat issues.

the dealership in which i bought my bike had a customer who they installed the termi system and upmap and the bike ran really poor,

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I would go to another shop that knows what they are doing. because that shop botched the install.

Most people here do it their selves and do not have such a said issue. What you are reporting is abnormal, not normal.

Maybe it was a one off

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There is no maybe about it.


Ducati did not put these on the R because they did not work. That is a fact.

that is an issue you may run into when you are using a generic tune.

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No it is not.

That is like saying all Ducatis run like crap from the factory because they have a generic tune. Most run just fine, unless you want the bleeding edge for competition. Then you can polish the tune for personal preference.

But the fact remains that it actually gives little gains.

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It is not a fact.

It is unsubstantiated nonsense.


Your only real argument here is that a custom tune and new ECU improves performance which I agree with.

What your not providing is a dyno done the same day showing the difference with just and exhaust change from a full termi to the Zard, that HP and torque would be a less a number shown then anything else.

kaido said:

Here is an example:

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Thank you for providing one example.

Im guessing the tuning was done with a 2012 map installed, the bike had before the better new maps were upgraded. Correct?


If that is the case you may be on to something, and that I would not disagree with to much.

outhouse said:

Most of us here have been dealing with different heat issues since the bike came out. Some does come from the engine itself.


What most of us feel is from the header itself as with good shields and coating/wrapping, the heat is manageable.

People who have tried no shield and wrapping/coating have complained of some serious heat issues.



I would go to another shop that knows what they are doing. because that shop botched the install.

Most people here do it their selves and do not have such a said issue. What you are reporting is abnormal, not normal.




There is no maybe about it.


Ducati did not put these on the R because they did not work. That is a fact.




No it is not.

That is like saying all Ducatis run like crap from the factory because they have a generic tune. Most run just fine, unless you want the bleeding edge for competition. Then you can polish the tune for personal preference.




It is not a fact.

It is unsubstantiated nonsense.

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See my post above. Real World Results, would say otherwise

Hey my 1199 ran like .... from factory, pretty sure nearly every owner will tell you how crap the 1199 is down low and how it is missing alot of torque in the mid range.

When you are selling a production vehicle you need to meet certain regulations the major one is "Emission", The engine mapping is limited by that factor. It is the reason why 99% of production vehicle produces gains when having an custom tune done. I am almost 99% sure that the map-up was limited by such factors as it was a factor upgrade for the 1199 hence it needed to meet certain regulations

outhouse said:

Thank you for providing one example.

Im guessing the tuning was done in 2012 before the better new maps were upgraded. Correct?


If that is the case you may be on to something, and that I would not disagree with to much.

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It is not using the up-map it is using a full custom tune using the tuneboy software

outhouse said:

Your only real argument here is that a custom tune and new ECU improves performance which I agree with.

What your not providing is a dyno done the same day showing the difference with just and exhaust change from a full termi to the Zard, that HP and torque would be a less a number shown then anything else.

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Look at the design of the termi system and then look at the design of the Zard system, Looks aside, just from a purely engineering POV.

There are fundamental Engineering Principles which can be applied, i don't have time to go into every one of them but those links a posted few pages back explain what i am talking about (regarding fluid mechanics).

You can use them to made assumptions and the end result is that the zard system is from an engineering POV a better design.


Again this is the reason why Termi has changed the design of there exhaust to this, to eliminate that looping of the pipe in the exhaust can section



The whole reason why i am continuing to debate this with you, is that you made an assumption base on the aesthetic, not base on engineering you can not say something is of a poor design and will be no better or worst than something else without backing it up with some sort of facts

kaido said:

See my post above. Real World Results, would say otherwise

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Apples to oranges does not cut it.


You posted no real world results. You did not post the stock upmap tune and full termi dyno to compare to.

kaido said:

See my post above. Real World Results, would say otherwise

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Apples to oranges does not cut it.


You posted no real world results. You did not post the stock upmap tune and full termi dyno to compare to.


You also posted a 12 design with none of the recalls serviced.


You also posted akra and termi, and nothing to do with zard.


You also are posting runs done on different days. Who knows maybe different bikes I cannot tell with such limited info.


What we do know is that the recalls done fixed quite a bit of the midrange dip, that bike seems not have had done as everything speaks of 12.

kaido said:

Again this is the reason why Termi has changed the design of there exhaust to this, to eliminate that looping of the pipe in the exhaust can section

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Understood. What are they reporting gains at ion the new design.

Real world I bet we only see a 1-3 HP gain tops.

Well I am holding out for the new Termi system, for both ascetics and performance. Also I hoping its easier to remove the race belly pan with them

outhouse said:

Understood. What are they reporting gains at ion the new design.

Real world I bet we only see a 1-3 HP gain tops.

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I know less than Kaido about fluid dynamics, but I have a rough idea of how it works. My guess is that it probably doesn't make much difference in peak output, but the midrange difference will be huge. As far as I understand it, the airbox is also a limiting factor with power on the Panigale, so fixing one end may just show the weakness on the intake side of things.

I'm just guessing here though. The OE design is just about as bad as you can make it from a flow standpoint with all the bends.