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Also rises some questions:
- What about consumption? I would like to compare range.
- Also, he speak about the slip-ons, but not the full line, if I am not mistaken. I can understand that the slip-ons, being eco-unfriendly, are less of a bottleneck than the stock cans, but the line between the engine and the slip-ons, being stock, is still a bottleneck. And that can active such a change in the engine behavior? Can't imagine with the full line, so...
- What about consumption? I would like to compare range.
- Also, he speak about the slip-ons, but not the full line, if I am not mistaken. I can understand that the slip-ons, being eco-unfriendly, are less of a bottleneck than the stock cans, but the line between the engine and the slip-ons, being stock, is still a bottleneck. And that can active such a change in the engine behavior? Can't imagine with the full line, so...
Uhm ... that seem strange to me....
9 hp more with slips on only ? I don't think it's possible. Some friend of mine get Termi slips on with their 1198 and the difference was ... nothing. With the full line and the Ecu the advantage was 3 or 4 hp more ....
9 hp more with slips on only ? I don't think it's possible. Some friend of mine get Termi slips on with their 1198 and the difference was ... nothing. With the full line and the Ecu the advantage was 3 or 4 hp more ....
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I love this comment a reader posted about the price of the bike:
"You can get a Harley for that :-0............ or get a simply stunning piece of Italian moto engineering with cutting edge performance, handling and brakes that work.
I know where my money would go ;-)"
If this guy would choose a Harley over the 1199 then he clearly wasted his time reading the article.
"You can get a Harley for that :-0............ or get a simply stunning piece of Italian moto engineering with cutting edge performance, handling and brakes that work.
I know where my money would go ;-)"
If this guy would choose a Harley over the 1199 then he clearly wasted his time reading the article.
In fact I supposed the same... but he himself in that article speaks about slips on only ... maybe in not all the countries Tri is with full sistem on ?
In the other post where that guy shows his Tricolore at the dealer's.... the bike has the stock cans on ...
Ive ordered a Tricolore, it comes with both the slip ons and the standard pipes. The ful system is £1400 ish extra.
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My dealer just installed my Full Termi syatem - seen it today. They stated the Stock measured at 60mm and the Termi headers measured at 70mm. They measured twice as the Termi headers looks much bigger on the bike than the Termi 70mm headers on the 1198.
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Good to know. So I wonder how much power gain there is over just the slip ons then.
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Look at the photos in my topic. The pipes are huge.
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They make the power because it gets rids of the cats..I would say that the cans can't really be classed as slip-ons as they are more than that, and that's what's confusing people
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My understanding is that the valve is in the manifold section. Valves in the exhaust are there for sound, they will not make any significance to maximum power, yes there will be a small restriction with them in there but it would be less than 1bhp. Changing the manifolds will increase power but it will be from the pipes themselves not the valves that may it may not be in it
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That would depend under what criteria Ducati's ECU is set to close the exhaust valve. As we've speculated on other threads and suggested by yourself, if the main purpose of the exhaust valve it to meet noise regulations, which will sap power when in its closed/restrictive position, why wold anyone want to keep it?
I've heard many reports like "I was traveling at x speed in y gear and everything went quiet. When I twisted the throttle, the engine bogged for a sec then the noise and thrust returned".
With the exhaust valve in its "closed" position, the engine will run rich, to which the ECU will cut back on fuel to compensate.
I merely stated that it would be good if the slipons included a link pipe to remove the exhaust valve, not that replacing it was going to give increase in power. Well, except during those times when the ECU would normally tell the valve to close.
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That would depend under what criteria Ducati's ECU is set to close the exhaust valve. As we've speculated on other threads and suggested by yourself, if the main purpose of the exhaust valve it to meet noise regulations, which will sap power when in its closed/restrictive position, why wold anyone want to keep it?
I've heard many reports like "I was traveling at x speed in y gear and everything went quiet. When I twisted the throttle, the engine bogged for a sec then the noise and thrust returned".
With the exhaust valve in its "closed" position, the engine will run rich, to which the ECU will cut back on fuel to compensate.
I merely stated that it would be good if the slipons included a link pipe to remove the exhaust valve, not that replacing it was going to give increase in power. Well, except during those times when the ECU would normally tell the valve to close.
don't get me wrong i think that any valve in the exhaust is wrong (thats why i will always put a full system on any of my bikes) Their function is there to please the mamby pamby rules
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don't get me wrong i think that any valve in the exhaust is wrong (thats why i will always put a full system on any of my bikes) Their function is there to please the mamby pamby rules
Then we're in agreement
ducati here in holland told me to go for the slip-on cans. they told me the power increase between the full and slip-on versions is not too much. it's more that the powerrange will change in rpm's ( he told me for streetriding there is a chance that with the full system you would even lose a little because with the full system the powerrange goed op to higher rpm's) this is what i am told. anyway i know that the bike with just slip on makes a 186Rwhp.. i think we have to wait until someone put's a pani with full system on a dyno to see a difference. but since a Pani Stock makes 177rwhp you wil get a 9HP increase JUST with the cans.. ( so i don't think it will make a big difference even more with full)
anyway we will turn heads with the termis Baby! haha
anyway we will turn heads with the termis Baby! haha
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