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Mmm I thought it was the full system the produced 186bhp @the rear wheel? To be honest all this talk about slip ones and full systems... Makes me wanna go get my flat cap and smoke a pipe in a rocking chair! Seriously have you seen the massive guard that covers the pipe under the seat? On the standard pipes. It's horrible in the flesh, if you get the full system you get a smaller carbon cover (well looks smaller prob because the pipes are bigger!) and you get to see the beauty of the pipe. So really it's a no brainer, and let's be honest anybody who's anybody will know you have slip ons.... If you are spending best part of £20k on a masterpiece (I hope!?) then treat it with some respect and give it what it deserves.... Something to breath properly with(well fart properly if you want to get technical!?)... Get the full system!
Hi guys.
Well this mcn test really seems a promo for Termis ... I would like to see the dyno charts... I don't believe to the 186 rw hps... simply it is NOT POSSIBLE.
9 hp more with slips on only ???? It's a joke. Don't believe to this. I saw the Akrapovic charts about their full sistem on 1198 and it showed 3 or 4 hp more... I don't think Termis are better than akra.
Well this mcn test really seems a promo for Termis ... I would like to see the dyno charts... I don't believe to the 186 rw hps... simply it is NOT POSSIBLE.
9 hp more with slips on only ???? It's a joke. Don't believe to this. I saw the Akrapovic charts about their full sistem on 1198 and it showed 3 or 4 hp more... I don't think Termis are better than akra.
it is possible.
PH2 ridden: Ducati Panigale
you can see the dyno figures my friends. so im sorry to dissapoint if you bought a full system
but this is proof of 9HP increase with just slip on.
PH2 ridden: Ducati Panigale
you can see the dyno figures my friends. so im sorry to dissapoint if you bought a full system
but this is proof of 9HP increase with just slip on.as you can read and also look on youtube. i asked the man personally as well. THIS IS JUST WITH THE SILENCERS.
186 Baby!
It seems impossible for me all the same. Piston Head dyno shows 186 rw hp for the pany, but they tested a maximum speed of 277 km/h ....
The mag 'Motociclismo' in the 2012 1000 cc comparison found a dyno of 169 rhp stock... but they reached 294, 5 km/h. I saw the dyno test and the track in person at Monza... so ther's something strange about Piston Head dyno...
I don't think Checa's 1198 r puts out 186 rw hp ..... It means 215 hp at the crank and I guess it's impossible that a stock motorcycle pulls out more power then a wsbk one !!!
he had a very nasty headwind when he was trying the speedrun.
he told me that in normal conditions he would reach 180 easy.
and i know that autin racing also hit 176 TOTALLY STOCK. and ducati here in holland told me the same that you will get the most Hp gain for your money with just the cans.
you might get 2-3 hp more with full.
i have to say that from more than 3 different sources it really claims to be so guys.
and also as you can read in the MCN testreview they have also dynoed a STOCK S on the SAME dyno. so the hp gain is pretty accurate.
he told me that in normal conditions he would reach 180 easy.
and i know that autin racing also hit 176 TOTALLY STOCK. and ducati here in holland told me the same that you will get the most Hp gain for your money with just the cans.
you might get 2-3 hp more with full.
i have to say that from more than 3 different sources it really claims to be so guys.
and also as you can read in the MCN testreview they have also dynoed a STOCK S on the SAME dyno. so the hp gain is pretty accurate.
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Unless you use the same bike on the same dyno and perferrably dyno back to back to keep temperature, humidy, etc. as close as possible, testing one bike with cans and another without is meaningless!
The normal variation between bikes can skew your reading way to much.
Only credible way is to take a bike, run the dyno, record numbers. Swap slip ons on the same bike and run again. Record and compare numbers.
Chris
The normal variation between bikes can skew your reading way to much.
Only credible way is to take a bike, run the dyno, record numbers. Swap slip ons on the same bike and run again. Record and compare numbers.
Chris
Yep sounds like 'just the end cans' are best value for money. But sorry you can't beat the full system, I don't care if there is no difference in power between the two, 186@the rear wheel is good enough for me and unless you are as good as troy Baylis then I doubt anyone here will be able to notice the max difference between 1199 and the Beemer RR.
Bottom line is yep endcans produce the goods but that stoke cover under the seat is horrid!
Bottom line is yep endcans produce the goods but that stoke cover under the seat is horrid!
Yep sounds like 'just the end cans' are best value for money. But sorry you can't beat the full system, I don't care if there is no difference in power between the two, 186@the rear wheel is good enough for me and unless you are as good as troy Baylis then I doubt anyone here will be able to notice the max difference between 1199 and the Beemer RR.
Bottom line is yep endcans produce the goods but that stoke cover under the seat is horrid!
Bottom line is yep endcans produce the goods but that stoke cover under the seat is horrid!
I agre, absolutely.
I saw the dyno test of 'Motociclismo', all the bikes on the same dyno the very same day. I was there.
The Panigale pulled out 169 rwhp stock, the Bmw 182, the kawi 177 and the Aprilia 162.
Men... I was there and I saw the test. A saw a lot of dyno test about Bmw that showed 200 and more rwhp ... but it depends on the crazy dyno !!!
What i note is that, on the same dyno, Panigale pulls out 13 rwhp less than the Bmw, but it's a very good result all the same. Infact the riders spoke well about the engine, but they say Bmw engine at the moment is still unreacheable at the moment.
The carbon cans cover is fine... but what about the heat effect ? The original cover is not a plastic but a metal one ....
I think the Termis cans or slips on are not important for maximum power but for lower and middle ranges ... that's the most interesting effect in my opinion.
I think the Termis cans or slips on are not important for maximum power but for lower and middle ranges ... that's the most interesting effect in my opinion.
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Are you a slip-on specialist...?
No, I am not. But if it was so easy to gain 10 hp .... maybe Checa's bike would put out 300 hp.
Akra is the only manufacturer that shows dyno chart for stock, slips on and full cans exhaust ... and if Akra is able to produce a full cans sistem that improves only by 4 hp .... I don't think possible that Termi produce a 10 hp gain with slips on only.
That's my opinion... maybe i'm wrong. Did you believe the zx10 pulled out 200 hp last year ???
I didn't.
At the present, the only manufacturer who declares the real power ... is Bmw. But I repeat... 170 rw hp is an astonishing result all the same !!! And, most important, not an unbelievable one...
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it not unreasonable to gain 5% - 7% HP gain with these new type of slip ons with the Map Up program. These are not standard slip ons which retain the the catalytic converter. These are basically the same thing you would get with the full system except for the fact the full system manifold is 70mm vs. the stock 60mm.
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The damn cans were developed in the same process has the bike.
Termis engineers were probably in Ducati's factory for all the time they were developing the 1199.
There were designed to fit this bike like a glove...I don't have a problem believing it can pull out 9 extra WHP...
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Speaking of before and after dynos on my Multi 1200 I had mods all done in one morning. Here are my before and after results which I would expect to be similar on the 1199:
MTS 1200 Modifications: Full Arrow Race Carbon exhaust, PC V, and K&N Filter
Results were Base RWH 131.79 increased to 142.66 which is 8.2%
Base Torque of 81.18 increased to 87.59 which is 7.9%
What I felt were the following:
-The bike feels more nimble with the heavy weight of the cat and charcoal canister gone
-The low-end RPM surges are gone
-Can blip the throttle at low speeds with very little hesitation
-Torque increase is noticeable low and at the top of the band
-Sounded more like a sports bike with a deep growl
Two big negatives:
-Outside air temp no longer worked
-Gas mileage went from 45 to 39
MTS 1200 Modifications: Full Arrow Race Carbon exhaust, PC V, and K&N Filter
Results were Base RWH 131.79 increased to 142.66 which is 8.2%
Base Torque of 81.18 increased to 87.59 which is 7.9%
What I felt were the following:
-The bike feels more nimble with the heavy weight of the cat and charcoal canister gone
-The low-end RPM surges are gone
-Can blip the throttle at low speeds with very little hesitation
-Torque increase is noticeable low and at the top of the band
-Sounded more like a sports bike with a deep growl
Two big negatives:
-Outside air temp no longer worked
-Gas mileage went from 45 to 39
So do the Akra ....obviusly, they're for track use only. See the charts on their site. No 1199 akra cans at the moment, but 1198 . I don't think is much different.
By the way.... do you think possible that Checa's bike pulls out 220 hp at the crank... and a stock Panigale with Termi slips on pulls out 215 ????
By the way... there were there in Monza mechanics and engineer of each manufacturer....I asked the Ducati engineer if it is worth tu put on the slips on or the full cans system. He told me that the best result is by far the full system Also the Map Up system is completely different. He spoke about a 3 or 4 hp gain with the slips on only. But much better lows and middle ranges.
What I expect and I wish ... is to have back the middle ranges ... never mind to 10 hp more at 11000 rpm..
What I expect and I wish ... is to have back the middle ranges ... never mind to 10 hp more at 11000 rpm..
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