New RSV4 RF

shakazulu12 said:

Hmm, looks like I wasn't that far off.

Superstock trim base price is 25,950 euro. Add in some kit fairings, Akra Exhaust and "setting of race suspension" (Cartridge and revalve?) and you are 30,500 euro which is around $32,500 today. That's actually a deal for a factory assembled race bike.

RSV4 R-FW Stock2 specs and prices Aprilia Racing

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Thats not bad.

Especially considering that includes the previously $10K something electronics package.

Aprilia RSV4 R-FW Misano - Basically A 230hp MotoGP Bike

And the documentation for the "Stock 1" configuration

https://service.piaggiogroup.com/public/racing/DocumentsNew/01_Products/00_full%20bike/RSV4%20R-FW%20Stock1%20MM%20Race_eng.pdf

I'd say Aprilia has nailed it. Turn key track/race bikes at various trim levels starting for somewhat reasonable money. Hope Ducati is paying attention.

Gotta wonder if Ducati can still come out with another expensive special edition bike when Panigale R money buys you a SSTK spec Aprilia built specifically for you. All the guys I've met with Superleggeras track them and I don't think they're brand loyal enough to insist on a Ducati...

Claymore said:

That is actually a clever move from Aprilia as it would turn their racing department into a commercial money earner too.

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as much as we'd like to think Aprilia is doing us a favor by giving us access to their go-fast technology, it's ALL about the money.

Nicky Hayden decides to leave MotoGP and go to WSBK. He talks to Aprilia first - they have a fast bike that he could be instantly competitive at the front with. But Aprilia isn't even sure if they can be in WSBK, so Hayden goes with Honda. Honda's stable. Ten Kate can pay him an actual salary and American Honda can kick in sponsorship money.

Nobody thought it was weird that, after Guintoli wins the championship for Aprilia, they DON'T renew his contract? And Eugene Laverty, who was extremely competitive on their bike, is also sent packing?

The problem with successful riders is you have to pay them, oftentimes a lot.

Even Ducati ran into issues - they pulled official Ducati Corse support from WSBK when they hired Rossi. $15 million is a lot of money - you can run a team for a season in SBK....or pay the salary of the world's most famous racer. So not only did two years at Ducati ruin Rossi's streak of domination in MotoGP, it surely delayed the development of the Panigale as a competitive race bike.

Anyways, Aprilia Racing needs money to fund their MotoGP and WSBK efforts. I don't think any of their riders are getting a salary. With the end of the 250cc era, Aprilia no longer got the $100k per team, per season, for leasing out their 250cc two-stroke racing engines.

So, in a master stroke of genius/desperation....sell Aprilia Racing products and services to the public. Extremely wealthy trackday junkies will pay the big bucks to have real Aprilia race-prepped bikes under their pop-up tents next to their toy trailer and fancy RV.

shakazulu12 said:

Hmm, looks like I wasn't that far off.

Superstock trim base price is 25,950 euro. Add in some kit fairings, Akra Exhaust and "setting of race suspension" (Cartridge and revalve?) and you are 30,500 euro which is around $32,500 today. That's actually a deal for a factory assembled race bike.

RSV4 R-FW Stock2 specs and prices Aprilia Racing

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holy crap! that isnt bad at all.

kismetcapitan said:

as much as we'd like to think Aprilia is doing us a favor by giving us access to their go-fast technology, it's ALL about the money.

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How is that any different from every other motorcycle manufacture out there?

Anyhow, here are the spec sheets on packages 1-4 ( 4 being wsbk spec). Package 3 is a little over 35,000 Euro and the WSBK spec is 79,500 euro

Aprilia Racing full bikes catalogue

Aprilia is just wasting time and money in Motogp...Focus on WSBK and try improving your parts & dealer support it would help you sell more bikes.

kismetcapitan said:

as much as we'd like to think Aprilia is doing us a favor by giving us access to their go-fast technology, it's ALL about the money.

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A '15 R with the Akra full system is 37-38k depending on how you address your fueling. The SBK spec RSV4 here is 38k. Remind me again how this isn't a great new option for track focused customers?

It's absolutely a giant favor. At the very least the bikes seem to be better value for the money than their street counterparts. Best case it prompts Ducati to rethink the things they're doing. I'd think it's hard to justify selling SSTK headers for 10k and the SSTK data acquisition kit for 4k when Aprilia will sell you an entire SSTK bike for 26k.

http://youtu.be/HqLJJVPVi9Q

Sorry, I don't know how to do the cool imbed thingy for video...

BTrain5489 said:

A '15 R with the Akra full system is 37-38k depending on how you address your fueling. The SBK spec RSV4 here is 38k. Remind me again how this isn't a great new option for track focused customers?

It's absolutely a giant favor. At the very least the bikes seem to be better value for the money than their street counterparts. Best case it prompts Ducati to rethink the things they're doing. I'd think it's hard to justify selling SSTK headers for 10k and the SSTK data acquisition kit for 4k when Aprilia will sell you an entire SSTK bike for 26k.

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i have recently taken delivery of a new R,I wish i was aware of this before i bought it,

BTrain5489 said:

A '15 R with the Akra full system is 37-38k depending on how you address your fueling. The SBK spec RSV4 here is 38k. Remind me again how this isn't a great new option for track focused customers?

It's absolutely a giant favor. At the very least the bikes seem to be better value for the money than their street counterparts. Best case it prompts Ducati to rethink the things they're doing. I'd think it's hard to justify selling SSTK headers for 10k and the SSTK data acquisition kit for 4k when Aprilia will sell you an entire SSTK bike for 26k.

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Sounds like a sweet deal for one of, if not the best handling chassis out there.

Im going to buy 2. One to brag to my friends about. One to ride on the street to drag knee on my way to Starbucks....red cup and all.

Grayson said:

Im going to buy 2. One to brag to my friends about. One to ride on the street to drag knee on my way to Starbucks....red cup and all.

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You can order the no spill cup holder option to keep you mocha choka latte triple pump extra foam non-fat cream with a dash of cinnamon safe

Aprilia should be applauded for their efforts.

I am inquiring about a bike now. The lead time is 120 - 180 days!

What the dealers are telling me is Aprilia is surprised how much interest there is. The dealers have been given little or no information. The challenge for me is to find a reputable dealer who will be capable of working on the bike if problems arise.

I currently work on my 1098R myself but the workshop manuals and parts are excellent it will be some time before manuals and parts are available for a 230hp Aprilia.

The take away is, Ducati should realize there is group of customers who will pay top dollar for the best available bike. A custom "bespoke" superbike seems the way to go to drive innovation and maintain top shelf customer interest. Ducati seems to have lost its way...and should look at a "bespoke" superbike to reclaim its dominance.

If it were my money, I would hook up with Houston Superbikes. They are a dealer and running the AMA program with Aprilia support. Their crew chief lives across the street from my Uncle. Been meaning to bug him for info on these. I'm sure they know the bikes better than anyone else in the US at the moment since they are running them. AF1 would be my next call.

Unless you are getting into the WSBK spec ones, there isn't anything in the motor that isn't in a standard one. Actually, now that I think about it. Current WSBK spec is all stock internally as well. Just shorter service intervals depending on your pace. The electronics would be the tricky part IMHO. You would need a shop that has experience with Motec, Marelli, Pectal etc.

shakazulu12 said:

Hmm, looks like I wasn't that far off.

Superstock trim base price is 25,950 euro. Add in some kit fairings, Akra Exhaust and "setting of race suspension" (Cartridge and revalve?) and you are 30,500 euro which is around $32,500 today. That's actually a deal for a factory assembled race bike.

RSV4 R-FW Stock2 specs and prices Aprilia Racing

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If that includes the price of the bike, that is really cheap. Like, REALLY cheap. You can take a damn GSX-R1000 and by the time you get it up to the limit of SS specifications you will have damn near $30k in it.

Aprillia as a company seem very arcane…. no?

…killer bikes nonetheless…

BTrain5489 said:

A '15 R with the Akra full system is 37-38k depending on how you address your fueling. The SBK spec RSV4 here is 38k. Remind me again how this isn't a great new option for track focused customers?

It's absolutely a giant favor. At the very least the bikes seem to be better value for the money than their street counterparts. Best case it prompts Ducati to rethink the things they're doing. I'd think it's hard to justify selling SSTK headers for 10k and the SSTK data acquisition kit for 4k when Aprilia will sell you an entire SSTK bike for 26k.

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Can you tell us your source? I thought folks in apriliaforum quoted the SBK spec to be about 60K+.

As far as I understood, the SBK spec in addition to same chassis has
a. ECU & data acquisition - north of 10K
b. Swingarm - 6K+
c. SBK Pistons + Cams + Evo 3 exhaust - 10K+
d. Different Shock to facilitate easy pull out - 2K+
e. Bigger tank
f. Different wheels

IMO it does not surprise me that ducati has not done this.
we tend to be overly critical.
example . a few threads ago someone was posting reviews of a track tire. the biggest complaint from the reviewer was that the tires did not last two track days. basically the tire was completely dismissed because it did not last two track days on a bike with 200hp -even though it was really good in the grip and feel department.
we are a fickle lot and wait till you see the maintenance schedule for the APE.

If ducati built a track bike and said it needs total engine rebuild after xxxx miles this crowd would freak the hell out.

Ive seen a few aprilia track bikes for sale sans motor because the owners didn't know they needed 5k worth of piston valve springs bearings and labor every few thousand miles.
public perception of the aprilia is they blow up . truth is they don't blow up if your willing to throw money at them like charlie sheen to a hooker . then they seem to keep going fine.