It does help that they make good looking bikes, but for me its the twin thing.
I haven't owned anything other than twins and singles since 2003 and that was
1 bike. If you discount that small lapse, I've been on twins and singles since 96.
No V4...
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It does help that they make good looking bikes, but for me its the twin thing.
I haven't owned anything other than twins and singles since 2003 and that was
1 bike. If you discount that small lapse, I've been on twins and singles since 96.
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But this years R is where I get off anyway, I've found everything I need. In a way I have too much, certainly more than I can really handle when hard on it, so much so I'm now in the market for a track bike, but then that's also down to not wanting to drop it!
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But the R is made for the track
Shouldn't you be looking for a street bike and track your R?
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There is very little in it even from the first superbike they had .
humph. I still don't buy it. Where the thighs grip the bike in the vertical cylinder region, let's see some actual accurate measurements.
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I'll be honest - I was hoping that the Panigale would be the last twin superbike....that would justify keeping mine forever as the last of the breed, and more to the point, shamelessly pour even more money into my bike that I'd never get back if I sold it on in the future.
I was thinking variable valve timing would make it's way to the Superquadro, but then it occurred to me that while it would make the Panigale a smoother street bike, it's totally unnecessary for racing, so adding that complexity - just don't see that happening.
I'm sure Ducati is playing with several ideas right now - they have to be, if they're going to release the Panigale replacement on time, several years from now. If Gigi brought up the V-4 idea, that in and of itself would have been enough to trigger this rampant rumor
I was thinking variable valve timing would make it's way to the Superquadro, but then it occurred to me that while it would make the Panigale a smoother street bike, it's totally unnecessary for racing, so adding that complexity - just don't see that happening.
I'm sure Ducati is playing with several ideas right now - they have to be, if they're going to release the Panigale replacement on time, several years from now. If Gigi brought up the V-4 idea, that in and of itself would have been enough to trigger this rampant rumor
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You want measurements to prove your point . Let's just say they are not then and let you win a ........ argument . I was just trying to show you the trellis frame ........never mind .
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But the R is made for the track
Shouldn't you be looking for a street bike and track your R?
Yes, well done, I see your point. I do okay, but I don't want to be slinging £30k down the track just for sh*ts and giggles!
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I'm just giving you a hard time and yes, I understand. I am not sure how insurance work in UK either. USA can be tricky when you are tracking your bike and crash.
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But you guys will go for 75% of your skill level canyon carving runs and throw it down the street. I never understood that logic. The thing to do is go to the track and learn to ride..... nevermind. This post is a waste....
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First, your post is not a waste because I think most will agree with you to go to a track and learn to ride. I have done riding schools (wish had more time i.e. in USA) but I'm not any where near your skill and also a amateur compared to most people on this forum.
But, the discussion was the insurance coverage. I understand some USA insurance cover track accidents but certainly not "timed" racing.
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Provided you are level headed, I think you run far higher risks of crashing on the road when you start to enjoy the speeds these things are made for.
I've been riding just over 30 years on the road and did my first track day in 96.
In that time I've had 2 decent size road accidents, 1 my fault in which poor obs of gravel in the road caused a high side, and 1 caused by some myopic .... pulling out of a T junction without looking. I must have over 60 trackdays under my belt, the majority in the last 5 years, but have never crashed on track.
Towards the end of this season I finally moved up into the fastest group and am still feeling well within my comfort zone. Sure it can go pear shaped or someone else can take me out, but the track is where to really enjoy these things safely. The roads are far too unpredictable these days and general driving standards are atrocious.
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I think Chris B posted that his insurance company covers his race bike.
Get a truck.
Put wrecked Panigale in truck.
Go to Starbucks.
Unload bike.
???????
Profit!
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I know right???
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Yeah that's it, we don't need more than 200rwhp, so hopefully attention is spent on torque and power curves but mostly lowering weight and improving handling.
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I agree, just saying it was an expensive machine to put on the track. I went to a track day a couple of months back and people were like "Really? You're taking that out there?!" But having said that, you ever have one of those days where you go to the track and your head just isn't in it? It was one of them so I called it early.
It may be psychological as I had an 'off' last year on the 2014 R? But I just couldn't commit, no track fairings/crash protection either didn't help that matter.
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If Ducati continues with the twin they're clearly prioritizing street bikes, the twin has no long term future in racing. The V4 is a superior engine in every respect except midrange torque, and that minor advantage won't win races on a regular basis. The days of dominance in WSBK are long gone.
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180 at the crank/160 at the rear wheel is probably all any expert amateur rider would ever possibly need, on the street or at track days.
but the market says otherwise. the marketplace says more is better. it's logical, no? plus if you own a superbike, you most likely have buddies that also own sport bikes, and if you say that who has the most powerful (and presumably "fastest") bike doesn't matter, you're not paying attention.
but the market says otherwise. the marketplace says more is better. it's logical, no? plus if you own a superbike, you most likely have buddies that also own sport bikes, and if you say that who has the most powerful (and presumably "fastest") bike doesn't matter, you're not paying attention.
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It really is starting to come down to bragging rights at the pub!?
Like I said earlier in the thread, this is where I get off, anything more is for the pro's and certainly a waste in my hands.
This years R is f*cking amazing. I wouldn't change it for the world, so in love with this bike. People can have what they like, I've found where I want to be
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