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Just taking a shot to see if anyone has done this intentionally or by mistake, please dont quote the manual because I already know what it states:

Has anyone ridden with a passenger while the rear suspension setting was in the "F" position? If so were there any difficulties seen or felt?

Tango Yankee!
 
Just taking a shot to see if anyone has done this intentionally or by mistake, please dont quote the manual because I already know what it states:

Has anyone ridden with a passenger while the rear suspension setting was in the "F" position? If so were there any difficulties seen or felt?

Tango Yankee!

I rode in F with a passenger for about 2 miles. Never exceeded 50mph but it felt good in all respects. It felt even more responsive because the weight added to the input. No real problems noticed but then again too short of a distance.
 
Just taking a shot to see if anyone has done this intentionally or by mistake, please dont quote the manual because I already know what it states:

Has anyone ridden with a passenger while the rear suspension setting was in the "F" position? If so were there any difficulties seen or felt?

Tango Yankee!

Yep. I kept mine in F for the first 600 miles. Rode with a passenger quite a bit. You can tell the difference in corners and such but not much difference on smooth highways.
 
This is all great news. Wonder why the hell they flag it in the manual and say riding a passenger in F can cause instability or loss of control then?
Would love a formal response on this from anyone who may know. I know there are some serious technical engineer types on here! - lol.
 
This is all great news. Wonder why the hell they flag it in the manual and say riding a passenger in F can cause instability or loss of control then?
Would love a formal response on this from anyone who may know. I know there are some serious technical engineer types on here! - lol.

Because if you hit a pothole, it will throw them out of the seat, it threw me out of the seat and I was on the front seat! I did 100 miles hard today in P and its miles better, no more banging and jumping on uneven roads, doesn't feel any different on smooth ones.
 
Ok in F it was extremely hard, hit anything uneven and it was hard to stay in the seat, had I had a pillion on it would have been worse, it bucked and kicked. In P it's much more complient, it tracks better and doesn't buck or kick. We have poor roads in the UK and F was really hard work.

My point about P was that on super smooth Tarmac it felt no worse than F so I dont see the point of F on the road. Off to have it set up professionally next week in P and will try one up and two up and let you know.
 
Lets clear up what this does.

Linear (F) vs progressive (P)

Linear is a 1:1 ratio, so if the "swing arm" moves 1" then then the shock moves an equal amount. ( not 1' ) If you broke down the movement of the rear shock into 4 1" movements you will always get the same movement at the shock shaft every inch.

Progressive is just that progressive. Rising rate or falling Rate

So if we move the swing arm 1' every additional inch we move the rear swing arm the shock shaft will not move relationally.

So the first inch of swing arm movement lets say the shock moves 1', then the next inch of swing arm travel it may move .5'. (2:1)

This is a bit tough for me to explain, hopefully that makes some since.

So how does this effect your bike in the real world.

If your going along and hit a bump with a passenger in flat ( F = Linear ) then your shock cannot move as much as you may need based on the spring.

If the same bump came along and your in progressive ratio then the shock is allowed to move more for the same swing arm deflection. Hence softening the ride.

A flat curve is always better in controled environments and properly setup for the bike load. However the motorcycle is sold and its anyone's guess what load it will be put under, by load I mean weight it has to carry. So a progressive ratio is best.

Regarding your concern, Ducati is worried the bike will get very upset if the swing arm is not dampened properly causing rider to loose control.

The rear spring is calculated for a 200lb rider, now what happens when you throw another 150 lbs or more at it, the spring can no longer work as expected so leverage must be used to accommodate the extra load.
 
P & f

Lets clear up what this does.

Linear (F) vs progressive (P)

Linear is a 1:1 ratio, so if the "swing arm" moves 1" then then the shock moves an equal amount. ( not 1' ) If you broke down the movement of the rear shock into 4 1" movements you will always get the same movement at the shock shaft every inch.

Progressive is just that progressive. Rising rate or falling Rate

So if we move the swing arm 1' every additional inch we move the rear swing arm the shock shaft will not move relationally.

So the first inch of swing arm movement lets say the shock moves 1', then the next inch of swing arm travel it may move .5'. (2:1)

This is a bit tough for me to explain, hopefully that makes some since.

So how does this effect your bike in the real world.

If your going along and hit a bump with a passenger in flat ( F = Linear ) then your shock cannot move as much as you may need based on the spring.

If the same bump came along and your in progressive ratio then the shock is allowed to move more for the same swing arm deflection. Hence softening the ride.

A flat curve is always better in controled environments and properly setup for the bike load. However the motorcycle is sold and its anyone's guess what load it will be put under, by load I mean weight it has to carry. So a progressive ratio is best.

Regarding your concern, Ducati is worried the bike will get very upset if the swing arm is not dampened properly causing rider to loose control.

The rear spring is calculated for a 200lb rider, now what happens when you throw another 150 lbs or more at it, the spring can no longer work as expected so leverage must be used to accommodate the extra load.

AHA! I knew there would be someone out there to break it down like a pro! Thank you Doctor! Now, I am about to break my own request that I listed at the beginning of this post. I am going to paste exactly what our manual states. Then I am going to log off and completely slap myself about the head for answering my own questions. I went out and looked at my bike and it seems I had it the correct way for passenger riding all along!!! ughhhhhh

Disregard the Motorcycle USA Shootout results. We all know where we stand!
:eek:

Changing the motorcycle track alignment
(fig. 154, fig. 155)
Motorcycle setup is the result of tests carried out under different riding conditions by our technical staff.
Modifying factory setting is a very delicate operation, which may lead to serious damage if performed by someone who is unskilled.
The rider can modify setup according to his/her needs by changing working position of the shock absorber.

Important
The FLAT position (F) allows for different track alignment, as on the racing versions.

The PROGRESSIVE position (P) is recommended with a passenger aboard.
Warning: Using the vehicle set to Flat with a passenger aboard may result in vehicle instability.
 
Soooooo... better to have it setup to Progressive for the street? I know I plan on having LOTS of women on the back of my Panigale ;) So probably best to have it switched over to Progressive tomorrow when I have it serviced right?
 
"Progressive" for road riding is just like night and day, it's more comfortable than a SF with the proper DES settings.

I really think that unless you are doing track only, you should switch to P.
 
Lets clear up what this does.

Linear (F) vs progressive (P)

Linear is a 1:1 ratio, so if the "swing arm" moves 1" then then the shock moves an equal amount. ( not 1' ) If you broke down the movement of the rear shock into 4 1" movements you will always get the same movement at the shock shaft every inch.

Progressive is just that progressive. Rising rate or falling Rate

So if we move the swing arm 1' every additional inch we move the rear swing arm the shock shaft will not move relationally.

So the first inch of swing arm movement lets say the shock moves 1', then the next inch of swing arm travel it may move .5'. (2:1)

This is a bit tough for me to explain, hopefully that makes some since.

So how does this effect your bike in the real world.

If your going along and hit a bump with a passenger in flat ( F = Linear ) then your shock cannot move as much as you may need based on the spring.

If the same bump came along and your in progressive ratio then the shock is allowed to move more for the same swing arm deflection. Hence softening the ride.

A flat curve is always better in controled environments and properly setup for the bike load. However the motorcycle is sold and its anyone's guess what load it will be put under, by load I mean weight it has to carry. So a progressive ratio is best.

Regarding your concern, Ducati is worried the bike will get very upset if the swing arm is not dampened properly causing rider to loose control.

The rear spring is calculated for a 200lb rider, now what happens when you throw another 150 lbs or more at it, the spring can no longer work as expected so leverage must be used to accommodate the extra load.

good stuff...Ducati have always said P for the road ...F for the track...when you think about the movement of the suspension it's logical.
 
Lets clear up what this does.

Linear (F) vs progressive (P)

Linear is a 1:1 ratio, so if the "swing arm" moves 1" then then the shock moves an equal amount. ( not 1' ) If you broke down the movement of the rear shock into 4 1" movements you will always get the same movement at the shock shaft every inch.

Progressive is just that progressive. Rising rate or falling Rate

So if we move the swing arm 1' every additional inch we move the rear swing arm the shock shaft will not move relationally.

So the first inch of swing arm movement lets say the shock moves 1', then the next inch of swing arm travel it may move .5'. (2:1)

This is a bit tough for me to explain, hopefully that makes some since.

So how does this effect your bike in the real world.

If your going along and hit a bump with a passenger in flat ( F = Linear ) then your shock cannot move as much as you may need based on the spring.

If the same bump came along and your in progressive ratio then the shock is allowed to move more for the same swing arm deflection. Hence softening the ride.

A flat curve is always better in controled environments and properly setup for the bike load. However the motorcycle is sold and its anyone's guess what load it will be put under, by load I mean weight it has to carry. So a progressive ratio is best.

Regarding your concern, Ducati is worried the bike will get very upset if the swing arm is not dampened properly causing rider to loose control.

The rear spring is calculated for a 200lb rider, now what happens when you throw another 150 lbs or more at it, the spring can no longer work as expected so leverage must be used to accommodate the extra load.

Very nicely put! You summed it up perfectly. I don't miss F at all.
 
? has anyone changed setting themself yet

Just did today, really didnt notice the difference in handling or anything. But the ride felt a little softer in the rear. Just switch it. If you dont like it all you have to do is take the bolt out, put it back in the old slot and you're done.
 
"P" when braking approaching a corner is not great... Rear won't settle down. For aggressive riding "F" is the way to go. Solid and stable. For two up to Starbucks ride the MultiStrada! That's what I do. Comfy!

First post! Wow!
 
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Soooooo... better to have it setup to Progressive for the street? I know I plan on having LOTS of women on the back of my Panigale ;) So probably best to have it switched over to Progressive tomorrow when I have it serviced right?

If you get any claiming to be "virgins," they won't be by the time you get them home to your residence;):eek::p:rolleyes::(
 
AHA! I knew there would be someone out there to break it down like a pro! Thank you Doctor! Now, I am about to break my own request that I listed at the beginning of this post. I am going to paste exactly what our manual states. Then I am going to log off and completely slap myself about the head for answering my own questions. I went out and looked at my bike and it seems I had it the correct way for passenger riding all along!!! ughhhhhh

Gunny your bike has always been in P mode. when i was riding in F mode you told me am i nuts to ride in that on those nyc streets. I changed mine to P mode during first service.

Since i have known you your bike has been in P (progressive 1 up riding) mode
 

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