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Seriously? Get a Ninja 250 and build the skills necessary to become a safe rider. Note the words "become a safe rider" Maybe a 600 after that and then possibly an 899 as a 3rd machine. If you decide to start off with the 1299S I would like 1st option on it if you get buyer's remorse.
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I'm 50 and have been trying to grow up enough to have a superbike for a long time. Everything I have I ride it as fast as it will go. If your like me, start small. A 600 supersport is a race bike capable of 160mph, not really a beginner bike. A 650 twin or a 250/300 is perfect. However if you can stay close to the speed limit on the street you can get by on a superbike. The problem with a superbike for new riders is they are like crack. You open the throttle and get addicted to the rush. Next thing you know your doing 160 and can't make the corner and a cross goes up to mark where you died. Bad .... happens and your chance of survival goes up at slower speeds. As you gain experience you learn to make smarter choices and a faster bike is less dangerous in your hands.
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The thing with the 600's is that when not being flogged, they have almost no torque at normal speeds. You literally have to drop to 2nd gear at anything under 70 mph to really get a good pull. The big-bore twins have monstrous torque available low in the revs, which you can summon any time just by barely cracking the throttle. This makes riding backroads much more enjoyable, since you can get some squirt without holding the revs up the whole way, but for someone with little experience and lack of ability to steer with the throttle, the bike is all over the place with every bump.
Has the OP got the bike yet? If not, I really recommend 600s, or at most the 899.
Having ridden all, and now owning a 1199 and a cbr400rr, I'm telling you stepping right into 1199 with minimal skills will get you frustrated.
Forget what everyone says on whether you are going to kill yourself or not, the thing about 1199 is it is difficult to ride that if you don't know how to it'll just frustrate you. It won't be enjoyable, it would be rough, and tiring.
If you don't know how to position yourself, your ride will be very jerky and tiring. The corneringwill be nervous and most of the time it will run wide. You'll wonder what the heck everyone is saying about the bike's handling because it won't feel that way to you at all.
Because you don't know how to ride fast, you'll get cooked from the engine heat. You'll be cursing and rides become tedious and discouraging.
You'll probably lowside it or run wide into the roadside at some point too. That's expensive! Very expensive!
A few months on you'll regret it, sell it, and buys a corvette instead. Never again ride bikes, but 20 years on you'll look back at what you have been missing and wonder what if you'd done things differently.
Buy a 600 or an 899, and you'll learn a lot better. More confident in opening the throttle, getting to lean the bike more because you have less $$$ in your head or on your shoulder. You'll attend trackdays to learn, or have spare $$$ to spend on superbike school that everyone's talking about. Gain more skills, ride faster, then in a year or two you'll start outriding your bike. You'll be passing the bigger bikes round the corners at your local track, knee and elbow gliding on the tarmac, and you'll start chasing laptimes that you'll be thinking about upgrading to that 1299 you've aleays wanted.
At that time, either a good secondhand one comes at great price, or a great 1399 is just being released. You will buy one, ride it to the full potential while enjoying it, and live happily ever after.
I enjoy my cbr400rr (1995, 55hp) as much as my 1199. For the road, i'd take my 400 anytime and grind my kneesliders out halfway through my ride, put on a fresh pair, and continue the second half. For the track, it's always a difficult decision, as both offer similarly great enjoyment of different kind.
That's how good small bikes can get, and that's how good/bad 1199 can be.
Think about it.
Think about your future.
899 looks exactly like an 1199 anyway.
And it's the corners that really matters....
P.s.
I've passed a superleggera round the outside of a fast sweeper with my 400. It felt great!!!
Having ridden all, and now owning a 1199 and a cbr400rr, I'm telling you stepping right into 1199 with minimal skills will get you frustrated.
Forget what everyone says on whether you are going to kill yourself or not, the thing about 1199 is it is difficult to ride that if you don't know how to it'll just frustrate you. It won't be enjoyable, it would be rough, and tiring.
If you don't know how to position yourself, your ride will be very jerky and tiring. The corneringwill be nervous and most of the time it will run wide. You'll wonder what the heck everyone is saying about the bike's handling because it won't feel that way to you at all.
Because you don't know how to ride fast, you'll get cooked from the engine heat. You'll be cursing and rides become tedious and discouraging.
You'll probably lowside it or run wide into the roadside at some point too. That's expensive! Very expensive!
A few months on you'll regret it, sell it, and buys a corvette instead. Never again ride bikes, but 20 years on you'll look back at what you have been missing and wonder what if you'd done things differently.
Buy a 600 or an 899, and you'll learn a lot better. More confident in opening the throttle, getting to lean the bike more because you have less $$$ in your head or on your shoulder. You'll attend trackdays to learn, or have spare $$$ to spend on superbike school that everyone's talking about. Gain more skills, ride faster, then in a year or two you'll start outriding your bike. You'll be passing the bigger bikes round the corners at your local track, knee and elbow gliding on the tarmac, and you'll start chasing laptimes that you'll be thinking about upgrading to that 1299 you've aleays wanted.
At that time, either a good secondhand one comes at great price, or a great 1399 is just being released. You will buy one, ride it to the full potential while enjoying it, and live happily ever after.
I enjoy my cbr400rr (1995, 55hp) as much as my 1199. For the road, i'd take my 400 anytime and grind my kneesliders out halfway through my ride, put on a fresh pair, and continue the second half. For the track, it's always a difficult decision, as both offer similarly great enjoyment of different kind.
That's how good small bikes can get, and that's how good/bad 1199 can be.
Think about it.
Think about your future.
899 looks exactly like an 1199 anyway.
And it's the corners that really matters....
P.s.
I've passed a superleggera round the outside of a fast sweeper with my 400. It felt great!!!
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I'm guessing he didn't know you were racing.
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What is the adjustment on the R swingarm? It has the same part number as the other models.
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It is actually an adjustable swingarm pivot that allows you to raise the pivot by 2mm or lower it by either 2 or 4mm via two adjusters. The benefit is decreased squat and increased agility in the highest setting and the lower pivot positions provide increased squat and improved traction.
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