Panigale V4R 2024y vs new V4S 2025?

CraigP said:

how on earth can an electronic suspension be aware and supposedly react to the road when it doesn't know what's coming?

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That’s not what’s going on with EC 2.0 or 3.0.

No need to apologise however a bike with electronic suspension is much better on the road than one without.

I had a 2020 V4R which I used on the road for a very short while and it was awful on the road. I have a 24 V4R which I managed 60 miles run in on the road on stock setup which is a lot softer than I have set up for racing and it was still awful so no need to let me know The R is a track focused bike pure and simple. Also, if you have the R get the Evo3 software if you use it hard as it’s a game changer Stops it spinning so much on corner exit on hard throttle.

I have the 23 R. Raced Pro for 15 seasons over 4 decades. Got the suspension tuned by a pro. Added a bunch of rear spring for my 200 lb with gear. Lengthened the wheelbase, chain, Evo3 SW, Sweet ride! I would ride it in the northern Cali canyons, not much where I live. Ready to race machine. R is a step up for tracking. The R just does everything a little better, easier. Either bike is amazing for an expert rider to enjoy!

allans said:

Go back and read the Ducati Introduction of the V4R.

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Where does it say this?

CraigP said:

I'm sorry but electronic suspension is a load of crap. I turned mine off on my V4s as I had it set up by a professional Ohlins dealership as how on earth can an electronic suspension be aware and supposedly react to the road when it doesn't know what's coming? Get the suspension set up by an expert and your bike will handle like you never knew it could. Honestly I swear by it. As for riding my V4r on the road, its only done 1 mile so I'll let you know what its like after I have had it professionally set up for my weight and let you know but I'm pretty sure it'll be the absolute dog's boll*cks!!

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The 22-24 S and 23+R have the same fork cartridges (NPX) so damping performance should be the same. Have you ridden the NPX/EC 2.0? It’s noticeably different from the 19-21 at least on the road. EC 2.0 seems to be less abrupt changes. The 25 S has NPX/EC 3.0 which has spool valving which is even allegedly better as it can make damping changes even quicker.

I’ve tracked multiple bikes with Ohlins manual (NIX conversions) and the 22 S NPX is better.

But again it’s going to be super subjective.

CraigP said:

I'm sorry but electronic suspension is a load of crap. I turned mine off on my V4s as I had it set up by a professional Ohlins dealership as how on earth can an electronic suspension be aware and supposedly react to the road when it doesn't know what's coming? Get the suspension set up by an expert and your bike will handle like you never knew it could. Honestly I swear by it. As for riding my V4r on the road, its only done 1 mile so I'll let you know what its like after I have had it professionally set up for my weight and let you know but I'm pretty sure it'll be the absolute dog's boll*cks!!

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Disagree about the electronic suspension being a load of crap. It’s also handy on the road to be able to switch between different modes and instantly get a different suspension set up.

I do like the new dash with the extra info you can see, and the E-cbs they added which sound great one the new v4 but, on the v4r you can map each gear separately which it's something no other street legal bikes has. Stronger, faster engine, dry clutch (not the standard one) and it's 17lb (dry) lighter than a v4s2025, and a better looking bike for me . Plus on the new v4 now has less torque on lower rpm and in the US they reduced the power.

Lefty said:

on the v4r you can map each gear separately which it's something no other street legal bikes has

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Really?

spooky said:

Really?

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Yeah, i am working on the bike and I can't really turn it on to show you.

Lefty said:

Yeah, i am working on the bike and I can't really turn it on to show you.

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You said ‘you can map each gear separately’. There are engine maps that have different settings for individual gears but I don’t believe you can map the individual gears yourself or change the gear settings within the preset maps.

spooky said:

You said ‘you can map each gear separately’. There are engine maps that have different settings for individual gears but I don’t believe you can map the individual gears yourself or change the gear settings within the preset maps.

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Yeah, I worded it wrong, on each power mode, different gear settings.

I rode the 25 V4 (base) today. It feels very tame and stable. The power band is smooth, the midrange throttle opening is almost like the 24 V4R, day and night difference to previous generation V4S. But in stock form, it lacks the power and feel of the fire breathing - high revving 24 V4R engine (with exhaust). I kept hitting the rev limiter waiting for the power to arrive somewhere. I know once we install the exhaust on the 25 V4, it would also take the US restrictions out and add some good power, but I don't believe it would make you want it more than a 24 V4R.
The ergonomics were more comfortable than the older generation, the bike is more flat than its nose, but I wouldn't say now you can do 20 laps without a sweat or ride fast all day. The front fairing has better wind deflection, the seat is larger towards the back and the tank is much more narrow. The bike did run hot, today was 75ish weather and I felt the heat everywhere.
The dash is very informative, although you can not see all that while you riding at a quick glance. If you have an onboard video, it might be useful to study it afterwards. It might also help with the available data logging.
My friend who owns a 2024 S1000RR tested it as well and called "perfect beginner's superbike". I couldn't agree more. We always give kudos to BMW for being super rider friendly, but this bike is even easier.
I will personally wait for the 2026 V4R, and enjoy my 24 V4R in the mean time.

was afraid of that...every V4 since 2018 has been neutured to allow easier riding... I test drove several though:

2020 V4s (one with full race exhaust/ducati tune, and one with stock exhaust), same with the 2022 V4s...

The race tune and exhaust def give you back that raw powerful feeling...case in point, on the stock V4s i could pin the throttle open in first gear and bike would not wheelie...15min later on the one with race system i came up high enough i had to let off the gas! so it was a dramatic difference...

but overall, with same exhaust the 22 bike was smoother...me personally, i like that RAW rocket ship feeling where your holding on for dear life with throttle pinned and praying the front end comes down when i grab 2nd at redline! (ya, i'm a king squid haha)

Sounds like the 25MY will be race exhaust of go home...

JAG

The rear cylinder heat has to go somewhere and there you are in its path. I think Ducati had done the best they can but this fact will always remain with the V4. Just gotta live with it and enjoy the benefits it has. Wearing the right pants will help. Not an issue on the track.