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180 from a 193 crank figure is amazing. I hope that figure is universal when the customer bikes are delivered...
But I'll be more convinced when I see a few dyno charts from people around the country.
I've seen a lot of variation from 1098 and 1198s but you can average them out once you've seen a few runs compared.
I'm hopeful, but skeptical
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Thanks for sharing that, Scott. XBox takes the pool! For which he wins rights to a shiny new 1199. Just the small matter of the ahh, doc fee...
Thank you Steve and thank you Scott respectively
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Hmmm thats weird my tech that has been to Level 2 Panigale training last month says they have a rev limiter of 8500rpm until the first 600 mile service has been done and the computer reflashed??? So its making 180hp at 8500rpm LOL???
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Hmmm thats weird my tech that has been to Level 2 Panigale training last month says they have a rev limiter of 8500rpm until the first 600 mile service has been done and the computer reflashed??? So its making 180hp at 8500rpm LOL???
Remember that these first bikes and this bike in question is a bike thats supplied to be raced, so no warranty, no limits. They are getting raced prepped!
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VERY NICE! Looks to be the real deal in terms of power and agility!!!
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All this is great news....I cant wait now for my bike to arrive and then fit the SS system which Ducati claim a extra 5% power increase, plus I will have these Ceramic coated and they claim to have a possible 5% power increase as well with that done......run it in, then Dyno test it.
Does anybody know if these bikes are being run with the dB killer removed ??
Does anybody know if these bikes are being run with the dB killer removed ??
I have to go with flynbulldog with those numbers. With the 2010 BMW S1000RR, It was at least 2-3 months before the general public received the 1st bike, and there were independent Dyno post all over YOU TUBE (mainly from Europe) that showed it making anywhere from 178-186 RWHP, with no mods/ pipe (rated 193 at the crank)
. Once the bike was released, it seemed like the majority of the Dyno's showed 183 RWHP(standard, no mods).So if the Panigale was spinning up those kind of numbers, they probably would have been posted by now to drive sells even higher (especially since they are trying to sell Ducati Motor Corp)? I'm guessing that the panigale will average 158 pre-exhaust mod and 164 post-termi's. The difference between the two bikes will be that the Panigale will have real-world, usable, and streetable HP (especially if you consider the weight difference). This will make it a far superior bike over the liter class (Just ask C.Checa- He averaged 191 mph on Philip Island and at one point in the race had an 8 sec lead-with the 1198R in superbike trim. The rest of the field were 196-203 (Biaggi-203) mph on the straights (on average). The S1000RR does have all that power but it does not have real world usability. It is so high in the rpm's that you seldom get a chance to experience the capability of the bike, without drawing attention from flashing red lights. MOTODOC
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I have to go with flynbulldog with those numbers. With the 2010 BMW S1000RR, It was at least 2-3 months before the general public received the 1st bike, and there were independent Dyno post all over YOU TUBE (mainly from Europe) that showed it making anywhere from 178-186 RWHP, with no mods/ pipe (rated 193 at the crank)
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Have you ridden an s1000rr, I can assure you it's got plenty of usable power
For the record, my run in standard s1000 made 190 rwhp, and then 200 with the mods. As stated above, this is Steve mercer's bike and I personally know the independent person that has had it on the dyno. In his own words "the 1199 will run the BMW close on power"
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I have to go with flynbulldog with those numbers. With the 2010 BMW S1000RR, It was at least 2-3 months before the general public received the 1st bike, and there were independent Dyno post all over YOU TUBE (mainly from Europe) that showed it making anywhere from 178-186 RWHP, with no mods/ pipe (rated 193 at the crank)
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For a guy who has an 1199 on order, you certainly are quick to throw some negative vibes on the Duc. Everybody here believes the S1000R is a great bike, BUT you seem to be caught up in the "power wars" and straight line speed game. I think you'll be shocked to learn this bike will dyno far beyond the high 150s...
Not sure why the flames are turned on whenever another view of the Panigale is given?
. I'm not caught up in the power wars, but I am trying to put in perspective the numbers that Ducati is throwing out there. Seems to me that THEY are caught in the power wars. Now I have never owned a V-twin, but the reason that I am looking forward to my Panigale S + ABS, is the difference in how the power is delivered compared to the I-4'S. I am just more open to have realistic expectations of the 1199. I don't consider it a negative? Although, straight line speed is also a statistic that is used to judge the performance of a track oriented sportbike. MOTODOC
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One bike. One dyno. 180rwhp.
We'll have to see the difference between other bikes and other dyno's.
Until then, negative people will be negative, while sceptical people remain sceptical and finally the rest of us just remain excited
We'll have to see the difference between other bikes and other dyno's.
Until then, negative people will be negative, while sceptical people remain sceptical and finally the rest of us just remain excited
Make that one customer owned bike on one independent, aftermarket company's dyno. And thanks to Scott, the world's first (to my knowledge) such report. Scoop!
For sure, more examples of bike and dyno will tell the tale of variability from bike to bike. Ducati have been very public about saying the thing makes 25HP more than the 1198, so 180 RWHP is right on the money as far as that goes. Time will tell if their QC is on the money too.
Thing is, once you factor in power to weight ratio for a stock bike with a rider on it, anything north of say, 170RWHP is clear sailing in terms of sheer poke. Don't much care, myself; sub-400lb weight with a couple gallons of gas in it along with the electronics package would sell it for me with not an ounce more power than the 1198.
For sure, more examples of bike and dyno will tell the tale of variability from bike to bike. Ducati have been very public about saying the thing makes 25HP more than the 1198, so 180 RWHP is right on the money as far as that goes. Time will tell if their QC is on the money too.
Thing is, once you factor in power to weight ratio for a stock bike with a rider on it, anything north of say, 170RWHP is clear sailing in terms of sheer poke. Don't much care, myself; sub-400lb weight with a couple gallons of gas in it along with the electronics package would sell it for me with not an ounce more power than the 1198.
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I'm just being realistic, anyone who's been around Ducati for any length of time knows that the numbers published are - lets say, optimistic.
360 pounds dry turns out to be 420 pounds on the scale ready to ride and 170 HP at the crank turns out to be 155 at the wheel on a shop dyno.
I understand that I'm quoting dry weight and Crank HP but the reality is always far from the brochure
I know that this bike will be over 400 pounds ready to ride and the HP will be nowhere near 190 out of the crate. I've been down this road many times.
However, if the bike is truly attaining a 180 RWHP figure - I'm very much impressed. But, show us the printout...
My fear is the low and mid RPM performance. One reviewer said it was like an 848 in the midrange and if that's the case I won't be keeping mine - hell I may not even buy it.
I live at over 6000 feet elevation and an 848 here is a complete dog - we loose over 20% power from sea level
That means your 180HP bike in Cali is giving me about 140HP here and the low end flat goes away at this altitude.
an 1198 will barely pull the front wheel off the ground in 1st gear here, it won't even come close in the other gears.
my 160HP 1098 was dynoing at 144 (corrected) with a full Termi, reflash a custom tuned PC3 and performance filter.
The real number on that bike was probably around 120 RWHP at this altitude.
So you guys can jump up and down all you want, I'll wait for a ride, because in the end - that's all that matters.
360 pounds dry turns out to be 420 pounds on the scale ready to ride and 170 HP at the crank turns out to be 155 at the wheel on a shop dyno.
I understand that I'm quoting dry weight and Crank HP but the reality is always far from the brochure
I know that this bike will be over 400 pounds ready to ride and the HP will be nowhere near 190 out of the crate. I've been down this road many times.
However, if the bike is truly attaining a 180 RWHP figure - I'm very much impressed. But, show us the printout...
My fear is the low and mid RPM performance. One reviewer said it was like an 848 in the midrange and if that's the case I won't be keeping mine - hell I may not even buy it.
I live at over 6000 feet elevation and an 848 here is a complete dog - we loose over 20% power from sea level
That means your 180HP bike in Cali is giving me about 140HP here and the low end flat goes away at this altitude.
an 1198 will barely pull the front wheel off the ground in 1st gear here, it won't even come close in the other gears.
my 160HP 1098 was dynoing at 144 (corrected) with a full Termi, reflash a custom tuned PC3 and performance filter.
The real number on that bike was probably around 120 RWHP at this altitude.
So you guys can jump up and down all you want, I'll wait for a ride, because in the end - that's all that matters.
I'm just being realistic, anyone who's been around Ducati for any length of time knows that the numbers published are - lets say, optimistic...
My fear is the low and mid RPM performance. One reviewer said it was like an 848 in the midrange and if that's the case I won't be keeping mine - hell I may not even buy it....
+1 flynbulldog,
You know that you have to give up something to get it
When I got my S1000RR sight unseen/ no test ride, I accepted the fact that I was part of the R&D division of BMW. There will be no difference with the Panigale. That is why I am proud to be a TEST PILOT!
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sounds like you NEED to relocate flynbulldog lol...or you just cant ride. If you cant lift the front wheel of a 1198 wherever you live then leave this "hobby" alone. this a lifestyle for me btw, YES I PUSH THESE BIKES TO THE LIMIT....to my limit anyway, which evidently is far beyond most.
I've had 4 Ducs in past 5 yrs, all superbikes so I been around em. how dare
you say their #2 are usually optimistic. most Brochures advertise Crank HP, thats normal...its up to you to know that you gonna have less to the wheel.
There's no way, with how critical credibility is in this industry, that they'd advertise 45 bhp more than what can be dilivered to the wheel. I was expecting around 176 RWHP and would have been extremely pleased with that!
We all just speculating on #s at this point, but a few just taking it too far.
cheera lil lads
I've had 4 Ducs in past 5 yrs, all superbikes so I been around em. how dare
you say their #2 are usually optimistic. most Brochures advertise Crank HP, thats normal...its up to you to know that you gonna have less to the wheel.
There's no way, with how critical credibility is in this industry, that they'd advertise 45 bhp more than what can be dilivered to the wheel. I was expecting around 176 RWHP and would have been extremely pleased with that!
We all just speculating on #s at this point, but a few just taking it too far.
cheera lil lads
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