Question about 1199 520 Conversion - Supersprox?

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I'm still trying to decide what to get for the 520 chain conversion. I got a DID ZVM-X 520 Chain for a crazy $55 on eBay, brand new in the box. Now I'm looking at sprocket carriers and flange covers, etc.

I'm a cheap ....... so after cleaning up the my drool over everyone's trick setups on the previous sprocket carrier threads, I'm left wondering how little I can spend and still have considerable gains in performance due to reduced weight of the final drive. Does anyone have any experience with Supersprox? The idea of a long wearing steel outer with a light weight aluminum center makes sense, and at $150 this is pretty inexpensive. It doesn't look like I need a separate sprocket carrier with this, correct? So if I get a carbon fiber flange cover this should be significantly lighter than stock for the least cost (along with a 520 front sprocket)?

Thanks in advance.

Supersprox Rear Sprocket: Ducati 1199 Panigale / Monster 1200

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Cheap ....... and Panigale shouldn't go together. I went with Superlite and D.I.D stuff with urethane cush drives, couldn't be happier. 2.6lbs rotating mass gone. About $650 but you get what you pay for.
 
cheap ....... and getting performance gains is cool.

don't go for DRIVEN products. I did and was very disappointed.
the 60mm bore was too small, chain is out of alignment by 2mm and the sprockets look very cheap on one side.
 
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I'm using them on mine. They were highly recommended by the guys at Motologic from where I am
 
K3yra7 said:
Cheap ....... and Panigale shouldn't go together. I went with Superlite and D.I.D stuff with urethane cush drives, couldn't be happier. 2.6lbs rotating mass gone. About $650 but you get what you pay for.
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I'm a bit of a paradox. I spent $3,400 on Rotobox RBX2 CF wheels but they saved 11 pounds over the OEM base wheels. $650 to save 2.6 pounds of small-diameter rotating mass in comparison is just insane to me.

Gecko said:
don't go for DRIVEN products. I did and was very disappointed.
the 60mm bore was too small, chain is out of alignment by 2mm and the sprockets look very cheap on one side.
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Thanks for the heads up. I never liked Driven. I know their rearsets are popular but I always got the impression that their stuff was on the low-end side.

kev1199s said:
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I'm using them on mine. They were highly recommended by the guys at Motologic from where I am
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Thanks Kev. If I'm understanding the the picture right, it is indeed all you need, no separate sprocket carrier needed. Did you paint/powder-coat the OEM flange cover? Any idea how much weight your particular conversion saved?
 
JeffD said:
I'm a bit of a paradox. I spent $3,400 on Rotobox RBX2 CF wheels but they saved 11 pounds over the OEM base wheels. $650 to save 2.6 pounds of small-diameter rotating mass in comparison is just insane to me.

Didn't know you had a base Panigale Jeff? :confused:
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Claymore said:
Didn't know you had a base Panigale Jeff? :confused:
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No so "base" anymore, hehe. I put an additional $11,000 into it with Bitubo front and rear, CF wheels, Termi slips, RapidBike Race and other bits. I know I could have had a Tricolore for that money but the parts I upgraded are absolute top of the range and I'm very satisfied with the result. Er, I guess not since I'm still buying more stuff to throw at it!

Will the madness ever end? :D
 
JeffD said:
No so "base" anymore, hehe. I put an additional $11,000 into it with Bitubo front and rear, CF wheels, Termi slips, RapidBike Race and other bits. I know I could have had a Tricolore for that money but the parts I upgraded are absolute top of the range and I'm very satisfied with the result. Er, I guess not since I'm still buying more stuff to throw at it!

Will the madness ever end? :D
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Wowsa! Sounds great. Rotobox is a love/hate item though and I hate it, but respect your show of fortitude there.
I have also been struck with a similar madness and was told by my doctor it is terminal. :D

Ps. When the Pani was launched in 2012 some of the motoring press said that the Base and Tri were the best value for money.
 
JeffD said:
I'm a bit of a paradox. I spent $3,400 on Rotobox RBX2 CF wheels but they saved 11 pounds over the OEM base wheels. $650 to save 2.6 pounds of small-diameter rotating mass in comparison is just insane to me.
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So, even though the sprocket is the cheaper alternative $$$/lb you still think its insane?
 
I prefer aluminum sprockets to steel ones. Less wear on the chain. And they're lighter.

And if you're going to go to the trouble of swapping out the stock one, why get another fixed sprocket rear? With an AFAM carrier (the one I use), the sprockets are cheap/easy to swap out.

btw, if it's performance you're after, use a non-O ring chain. Much less drive train resistance. Yeah, maintenance/replacement is higher. But you did say you were after performance....
 
Charliem90 said:
btw, if it's performance you're after, use a non-O ring chain. Much less drive train resistance. Yeah, maintenance/replacement is higher. But you did say you were after performance....
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Oring chain / Non Oring chain?
"Just to put the drag argument to rest, one of our old members had a chain dyno (yeah, who thought they had such a thing), and the o-ring chain did in fact drag more... UNTIL, it got warm, after it was up to temps, it was the same or better than a non-ring chain."

:cool:
 
Fortunately the Dragon Lady uses neither one of the two, She wears her gold X ring chain with pride. :p
 
Interesting graph, could not verify its authenticity though... :cool:
 

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dznutz said:
So, even though the sprocket is the cheaper alternative $$$/lb you still think its insane?
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For me, relative to other performance-enhancing mods that $600+ could go to, the drive train replacement goes back down the list. I'd rather save up for wheels because that makes a much bigger difference. A RapidBike Evo module costs as much and would also make much more practical gains. Same with brake pads and so on. I guess I've done all of that so now I'm at the incremental point of modding for performance sake and don't see $600+ of value in the drive train options.
 
JeffD said:
I've seen these, but I don't really understand how much improved performance they provide for the extra $140. What do they do again?
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From DK web site:

Unlike stock rubber Ducati Cush Drive hub sets, Superlite Hyper-Flex Polyurethane Cush Drive lugs have been engineered to give longer lasting performance while withstanding contaminates that often destroy rubber. Polyurethane expands once compressed which in turn provides zero slop when under torque while also offering high durability, great looks and 25% less weight over stock units. If your looking for maximum traction, smoother throttle transition and overall performance, this rear setup is for you.
 
Duc Le Smart said:
From DK web site:

Unlike stock rubber Ducati Cush Drive hub sets, Superlite Hyper-Flex Polyurethane Cush Drive lugs have been engineered to give longer lasting performance while withstanding contaminates that often destroy rubber. Polyurethane expands once compressed which in turn provides zero slop when under torque while also offering high durability, great looks and 25% less weight over stock units. If your looking for maximum traction, smoother throttle transition and overall performance, this rear setup is for you.
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Thanks for that. I read that before but doesn't really sell me. If my current Cush drives are still good, the longer lasting bit is of no benefit. Then, 25% less weight of how much total? 10 ounces? 24 ounces? Sounds suspiciously like salesman BS if they won't quote exact weight reduction from OEM which should easy to do. Maybe it's because "25% lighter" sounds more impressive?

This is the exact kind of snake oil hyperbole I'm wary of with mods. I knew the actual measured weight difference between the OEM wheels, S/R wheels, BST wheels and Rotobox wheels before I made a decision. Same with relative performance gains of Bitubo race suspension over OEM Marzocchi/Sachs. The cost of some common Ducati mods vs. what their benefits really are worry me that they are simply some new clothes for the Emperor...:rolleyes:
 
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