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QS on a twin will always be slower than on an IL4 since there are less cylinders firing per revolution.

My 2013 1199 had Tuneboy with autoblip and was a bit better than OEM but not by much.

The OEM autoblip on my current 1299 is excruciatingly slow compared to the FT setup on my R1.
 
Ijustwantone said:
Having read the replies to my thread i am somewhat surprised to read i am not the only one having this shifting issue. While i am not a electronic expert i do understand how the electronics behind quick shifters work. I can only guess that when the QS sensor is sensing that you are applying pressure which actuates the QS from there it sends a signal to the ECU which in turn would cut the ignition and unload the gearbox allowing the shift up into the next gear. So either Ducati have installed crappy quality QS sensors which are not sensing the up-shift and therefore not talking to the ECU to do its job or the ECU is doing its job but the cut to ignition is sometimes actually not unloading the gearbox allowing the gear to be moved into the next gear. Its interesting how at lower RPM my QS is absolutely fuckn silky smooth and faultless but up in the higher rev range that is when i have the problems which makes me believe that when the revs are in the higher range the gearbox has got so much torque running through it that even when the ignition is cut the load reduction is just not enough to allow the same kind of silky change as experienced in the lower rev range. What ever it is, I am seriously gutted about it because i have lost confidence in the QS and with the money we have all invested into these marvels of engineering a issue like this should be non existent.
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I have a 1199 and have only missed a couple but it was me not the bike

To speed it up fit Tuneboy

Mine is set with half the time delay to oem
 
QS failure leads to check engine light...seen that?

Captain Greg said:
I recently suffered a QS failure with my 1299, the local agent replaced the QS sensor switch with a new one, now its very smooth, also I had a long cut out when in 5th at high Rpm and going to 6th,with original QS
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I have had a failure with my QS also. The dealer has the bike now to fix it. The check engine light came on, the mode indicator started blinking, and I could see that DQS was off. After shutting off the bike for a while it would start normally, but then the check engine light etcetera would occur again.

Anyone seen anything like that?

I'm waiting for the ducati rep to determine a course of action. I'm in a hurry. Not sure they are. :confused:
 
I'm waiting for the ducati rep to determine a course of action. I'm in a hurry. Not sure they are.

Good luck on that..LOL

Ducati is not known for quick fixes for electrical glitches on the 1299 Panigale. From what I have seen and experienced with my own issues as far as the factory rep etc...they simply don't give a .... either.. !!

The Ducati product is losing it's rep as a reliable "premium" bike more and more..
The dealers generally try to help their customers as much as they can but when it comes to having the factory rep come in to look at a problem they are slow to respond..
Personally, I think the factory knows about many of the issues (like the bikes engine randomly dying/completely shutting off on you just sitting there in traffic etc.) However due to inherent design flaws, they are not going to be able to fix them (or are just not willing to fix them) and the general public that purchases their bikes just have to put up with it.. You know that good ol'e "Ducati Character" we hear so much about..LOL

Word gets around... The Ducati factory guys need to spend a little more time on fixing the issues with their bikes instead of promoting their IMAGE of a "premium" Motorcycle because sooner or later the word on the street will get around and they will have a hard time trying to recover... Bad news travels fast..

Speedy
 
I wouldn't be adjusting qs time as they have decided appropriate time to unload the gearbox without breaking the gearbox.
 
The OEM Ducati electronics/electrical system is a gigantic pile of crap. The 2006 Power Commander QS on my 06 1000RR and the whole gearbox for that matter is waaaaaay better that the the stock setup on the 1299. Its a goulash of head scratching nightmare. I got mine to work well but it took a gearbox massage, new gear box cover with a real bearing in it that replace that sloppy fit OEM set up and the TL unit. Unfortunately, it still has to go through the Mits ECU. I think they use the same ECU in their televisions and toasters. And the wiring. I have seen better quality wire in Chinese children's toys. Bike 2, Full MM system. Iv'e had enough of fixing poorly designed and poorly built factory crap.
 
Ijustwantone said:
Hello all.

Had the opportunity on a nice long open piece of road to open up my 1299S and go through all of the gears full throttle and use the quick shifter. Now I'm not new to quick shifters as I had a Bazzaz with QS on my previous bike and using the QS on the Bazzaz was faultless. What I found opening up the 1299 and using the QS was a rather unusual issue of the QS hesitating in the top of the rev range. Lower down in the rev range the shifts were silky smooth and absolutely faultless but intermittently I found the shifts when up in the 9 10 and 11K range it felt like the ignition was being cut way too long. A couple of times I nearly slid half way up the tank as the bike took what felt like half a second to engage the next gear.

Now before someone jumps on and says this is a warranty issue just take it back to my dealer, The bike is booked in for my dealer to inspect this issue but I wanted to put it out to the community and see if this is a issue other rides have also come across

The quick shifting full throttle in the upper rev range is no where near as silky smooth as it is down in the lower rev range and I would have thought that the quick shifts in the top end of the rev range open throttle would have been even more silky than in the lower rev range.

Has any other members come across this issue ? And it is not my shifting or lack of it as I have the gear lever at its lowest point so to get a good strong up shift when lifting my left boot
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I just took out my 15R for the first time on the track at the Ridge and noticed the QC behavior to be quite similar. It seemed to have gotten better towards the end of the day. I'll have to watch it to see what's behind the variability. I'm trying to figure if there's a computer learning thing going on.
 
SPJ said:
Yes, open Tuneboy Trim, Tools, Config Options. There is a slider bar to adjust the QS kill time. Around 2/3 towards faster works for me.
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Hi, I am experiencing similar issues (smooth QS at lower revs below 6k but jerky QS above 8K) and have tune-boy. Can you do screen shot of your settings or tell me what your QS kill time and QS pressure is set at from the config screen?

Regards,

Yoshi
 
bradp51 said:
I have a 1199 and have only missed a couple but it was me not the bike

To speed it up fit Tuneboy

Mine is set with half the time delay to oem
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I've got a similar setup, can you send me a screenshot of the config page so I can copy your QS delay setting?

Regards,

Tsuyoshi.
 
Same issues as the OP, nice shifts at revs below 8k 5-6th fires me through the screen on the gear change at higher revs,
ill be asking for a fix /replacement during the annual service.

slightly disconcerting on track though when trying to keep the bike smooth, and the cut off time is so long.
 
Nathanhu said:
Same issues as the OP, nice shifts at revs below 8k 5-6th fires me through the screen on the gear change at higher revs,
ill be asking for a fix /replacement during the annual service.

slightly disconcerting on track though when trying to keep the bike smooth, and the cut off time is so long.
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So guys just a comment (I have had two QS replaced, not moaning just mentioning it)
The new one is great even at high revs ( high for me is 8-9000)
That said in 6th I still feel I'm about to go through the fairing as it changes from 5th to 6th .... I mentioned this to an engineer at work, himself not a biker rider but a very knowledgeable fellow with maters in our game (Aviation)
He thought about it for a few moments and said is it not possible that the drag at that higher road speed (headwind) is making me think that the bike is shifting slower?
With the bike at say 230km+ and now suddenly experienceing no power for a split second and me now tuked behind the fairing that I am in fact thinking it's slow?.after all the QS and the electronics only shut the power for a micro second and from what I understand it's the same for every gear so it's not like the system can change the shut off time as I'm not sure it's that intelligent? To have say diffrent open conditions for each gear or am I wrong?

It's just a thought, his comment as many of us report the same symptoms
 
Gents...gonna spend Sat/Sun/Mon wringing the R around Thunderhill...with the new BSD QS. Shane Turpin rode it yesterday n said it was butter-smooth. Will report back....
 
Nathanhu said:
Same issues as the OP, nice shifts at revs below 8k 5-6th fires me through the screen on the gear change at higher revs,
ill be asking for a fix /replacement during the annual service.

slightly disconcerting on track though when trying to keep the bike smooth, and the cut off time is so long.
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Swap to a TransLogic shift rod. The TL unit uses a strain gauge vs. the stock micro-switch. The stock unit is terrible.

If you get a TL rod, make sure to be precise with the angle and avoid any unnecessary upward/downward flex or pressure. As I've broken linkage rod, due to it being slightly misaligned. Other than that, it is night and day better than the micro-switch. Same stuff the Moto3, 2, GP guys use.
 
AM sessions done with the BSD QS. What a difference...butter-smooth up n down. I always wished my downshifts sounded like the gp boys...that quick little snick-rev-snick-rev. That's what this QS is like. So smooth. Two thumbs up...well worth it-
 
MotoX183 said:
Swap to a TransLogic shift rod. The TL unit uses a strain gauge vs. the stock micro-switch. The stock unit is terrible.

If you get a TL rod, make sure to be precise with the angle and avoid any unnecessary upward/downward flex or pressure. As I've broken linkage rod, due to it being slightly misaligned. Other than that, it is night and day better than the micro-switch. Same stuff the Moto3, 2, GP guys use.
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I've been having the same issues, spoke to my ducati dealer and they have said it is others oem unit. I understand it's not just an issue with Ducati, but BMW and the new Gsxr have similar issues.
I spoke to Translogic this morning and they have suggested to replace the shift rod, so I've ordered one and hopefully this should improve the catapult feeling when changing gear at high revs in the top gears :)
 

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