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panibadboy said:
Salvadori is not sstk rider, but rides a machine that is somewhat WSBK spec. Proper engine, unrestricted Magneti Mareilli ecu and etc.

Salvadori is only 0.5 slower than Pirro at Mugello, so by any accounts you can't call him slow.

Also, Salvadori has more than 1 win, no idea where you got that from.
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Who the .... called him slow lmfao [emoji1787]

You’re missing the point entirely. I don’t care what he rides, look at his profile WorldSBK that’s where I got it from.


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Alkhater said:
The ‘21 bike here Ducati riders testing the Panigale V4S in Jerez, 2 seconds off MotoGP lap times has done a 1’43.3 on Michelin slicks and exhaust. It just goes to show that your comparison is meaningless.

But if you wanna convince yourself that the ‘22 bike isn’t any better then by all means, be my guest.


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No doubt it's a fast bike, not faster than 2019 model tho

Geometry changes are good tho, less painful to ride for an average joe


It's a dead bike anyway, no one ever will race one due to 1.1l engine

Maybe some odd trackdayers get it, otherwise it's a waste
 
I sync'd the 2 videos and noticed some things:

First, it sounds like splitting hairs but Savadori's lap is actually a 1m45.29s and not 45.123. Also Redding's time is significantly faster than a 1m45s. It's more like 1m43.2s. Redding was probably 1.5-2s faster than Savadori. Two things that I think affect these results. Redding is a higher caliber rider as evidence by him challenging for the WSBK championship and Savadori is in WSSP and WSTK. And more likely, Savadori has to give himself a margin of error since he's on a press launch and not about to bin it. I'm also pretty sure Redding's bike is properly sprung for his weight while Savadori is on bone-stock bike.

Second, Savadori was using a gear less on more of the circuit than Redding due to the taller gearing on the '22.

It would've be awesome to have seen Redding on the '22 because by transitive property (pro rider would be 0.5s faster, see Pirro) he'd be lapping around 1m42s, which is easily within the WSBK field and just 3s off Rea's fastest time this year.
 
rac1ngsnak3 said:
I sync'd the 2 videos and noticed some things:

First, it sounds like splitting hairs but Savadori's lap is actually a 1m45.29s and not 45.123. Also Redding's time is significantly faster than a 1m45s. It's more like 1m43.2s. Redding was probably 1.5-2s faster than Savadori. Two things that I think affect these results. Redding is a higher caliber rider as evidence by him challenging for the WSBK championship and Savadori is in WSSP and WSTK. And more likely, Savadori has to give himself a margin of error since he's on a press launch and not about to bin it. I'm also pretty sure Redding's bike is properly sprung for his weight while Savadori is on bone-stock bike.

Second, Savadori was using a gear less on more of the circuit than Redding due to the taller gearing on the '22.

It would've be awesome to have seen Redding on the '22 because by transitive property (pro rider would be 0.5s faster, see Pirro) he'd be lapping around 1m42s, which is easily within the WSBK field and just 3s off Rea's fastest time this year.
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Redding practice bike is stock V4S 2019 with Full Akra, some geometry changes, electronic suspension. He ran Pirelli, likely SC0s on that day.

Obviously he is better at Jerez vs. Luca who never raced there, but all in all it shows that bikes are identical
 
panibadboy said:
Redding practice bike is stock V4S 2019 with Full Akra, some geometry changes, electronic suspension. He ran Pirelli, likely SC0s on that day.

Obviously he is better at Jerez vs. Luca who never raced there, but all in all it shows that bikes are identical
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By these facts I’d argue that the bikes are FAR FROM identical. So Redding was on a properly sorted bike with full-on quali’s and Luca was on a bog-stock bike with SC1’s (normal people Supercorsa SC1, not Superbike SC1 with the bigger contact patch) and therefore the comparison is apples to oranges.
 
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rac1ngsnak3 said:
By these facts I’d argue that the bikes are FAR FROM identical. So Redding was on a properly sorted bike with full-on quali’s and Luca was on a bog-stock bike with SC1’s (normal people Supercorsa SC1, not Superbike SC1 with the bigger contact patch) and therefore the comparison is apples to oranges.
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They are 65mm front 200mm rear sc1s mate. Same sizes as Redding uses. Considering Dec temperature at Jerez now, reasonable choice.
 
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panibadboy said:
They are 65mm front 200mm rear sc1s mate. Same sizes as Redding uses. Considering Dec temperature at Jerez now, reasonable choice.
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Nope. ‘22 was on standard 200/60 and 120/70 Supercorsa SC1. If you’re telling me that Redding was on SC0, that’s only made in a 200/65. That’s more meat.

I’d anticipate that the SC0 alone is worth 0.5s. Full Akra is +6 hp across the powerband so prob another 0.2-3s there. Geo and suspension changes prob 0.2s. That’s just a second in a properly sorted bike. And that’s probably conservative. I’d assume Redding’s talent is at 2s.

‘22 is a step up in ease of riding and performance. I hate to say it but believe the hype.

Pani, what do you have against the ‘22?
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I’d also have to say that Ducati running SC1s in Dec is a cheeky move to quicken lap times. From what Fagan said, they could only get 3 sessions out of them and were probably getting chewed up by the colder track temps.

A more appropriate compound would’ve been SC2 or SC3 but then they’d be a bit farther out on lap times. But I don’t think Ducati we’re trying to get maximum longevity out of these tires.
 
These comparisons internet racers do with what pro racers do on a bike is stupid. You can give a pro racer a stock ninja 400 and they will still outrun almost all of you on any liter bike.
Unless you’ve ever ridden on a track with someone that can run pro’ish times you have no idea how fast these riders are. It ain’t the bike, it’s the rider and these guys are gonna be cooking regardless of the bike.

A pro rider only being 5 seconds off on his race bike vs a stock showroom bike isn’t all that surprising because these guys can ride so well and adjust on the fly. That’s why they get paid to do it and the rest of us are out here going broke at the track lol
 

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