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Jerez lap times grouped by manufacturer, in 2016 Zarco did a 1.37 (lets not split tenths here) it took 4 years to get to the 1.36's
Lap times are one parameter Motogp is probably the best format as all the bikes are so even relatively speaking. Street bikes getting 2 seconds in a year pfft, it means nothing.

1.Yamaha YZR-M1 (2020)Fabio Quartararo1:36.70- / -
2.Yamaha YZR-M1 (2021)Fabio Quartararo1:36.75- / -
3.Ducati GP21Jack Miller1:36.86- / -
4.Honda RC213V (2020)Marc Marquez1:36.86- / -
5.Yamaha YZR-M1 (2019)Fabio Quartararo1:36.88- / -
6.Ducati GP20Francesco Bagnaia1:36.95- / -
7.Honda RC213V (2019)Marc Marquez1:36.97- / -
8.Honda RC213V (2021)Takaaki Nakagami1:37.01- / -
9.Ducati GP19Andrea Dovizioso1:37.02- / -
10.Aprilia RS-GP (2021)Aleix Espargaró1:37.08- / -
11.Suzuki GSX-RR (2021)Alex Rins1:37.12- / -
12.KTM RC16 (2020)Miguel Oliveira1:37.34- / -
13.Suzuki GSX-RR (2019)Alex Rins1:37.35- / -
14.Ducati GP18Francesco Bagnaia1:37.38- / -
15.KTM RC16 (2021)Brad Binder1:37.47- / -
16.Suzuki GSX-RR (2020)Joan Mir1:37.60- / -
17.Aprilia RS-GP (2019)Aleix Espargaró1:37.62- / -
18.Honda RC213V (2018)Cal Crutchlow1:37.65- / -
19.KTM RC16 (2019)Pol Espargaró1:37.80- / -
20.Aprilia RS-GP (2020)Aleix Espargaró1:37.88- / -
21.Yamaha YZR-M1 (2016)Johann Zarco1:37.96- / -
22.Suzuki GSX-RR (2018)Alex Rins1:37.98- / -
 
I know how to solve this: someone provide me a stock V4S from each year, send them and me to Herreth with a fresh set of slicks, and I’ll give them a run around. Since I’m a mediocre rider time differences will be more appreciable
 
Alkhater said:
Still means nothing.

Discrepancy in lap times between riders in wsbk can be as much as 2 or more seconds throughout a weekend. Furthermore, you can’t compare lap times set by salvadori (a sstk rider with 1 win in his career) to Redding who’s a wsbk title contender.

In fact… this info makes the ‘22 bike even more impressive to me.

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Salvadori is not sstk rider, but rides a machine that is somewhat WSBK spec. Proper engine, unrestricted Magneti Mareilli ecu and etc.

Salvadori is only 0.5 slower than Pirro at Mugello, so by any accounts you can't call him slow.

Also, Salvadori has more than 1 win, no idea where you got that from.
 
panibadboy said:
Salvadori is not sstk rider, but rides a machine that is somewhat WSBK spec. Proper engine, unrestricted Magneti Mareilli ecu and etc.

Salvadori is only 0.5 slower than Pirro at Mugello, so by any accounts you can't call him slow.

Also, Salvadori has more than 1 win, no idea where you got that from.
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Who the .... called him slow lmfao [emoji1787]

You’re missing the point entirely. I don’t care what he rides, look at his profile WorldSBK that’s where I got it from.


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Alkhater said:
The ‘21 bike here Ducati riders testing the Panigale V4S in Jerez, 2 seconds off MotoGP lap times has done a 1’43.3 on Michelin slicks and exhaust. It just goes to show that your comparison is meaningless.

But if you wanna convince yourself that the ‘22 bike isn’t any better then by all means, be my guest.


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No doubt it's a fast bike, not faster than 2019 model tho

Geometry changes are good tho, less painful to ride for an average joe


It's a dead bike anyway, no one ever will race one due to 1.1l engine

Maybe some odd trackdayers get it, otherwise it's a waste
 
I sync'd the 2 videos and noticed some things:

First, it sounds like splitting hairs but Savadori's lap is actually a 1m45.29s and not 45.123. Also Redding's time is significantly faster than a 1m45s. It's more like 1m43.2s. Redding was probably 1.5-2s faster than Savadori. Two things that I think affect these results. Redding is a higher caliber rider as evidence by him challenging for the WSBK championship and Savadori is in WSSP and WSTK. And more likely, Savadori has to give himself a margin of error since he's on a press launch and not about to bin it. I'm also pretty sure Redding's bike is properly sprung for his weight while Savadori is on bone-stock bike.

Second, Savadori was using a gear less on more of the circuit than Redding due to the taller gearing on the '22.

It would've be awesome to have seen Redding on the '22 because by transitive property (pro rider would be 0.5s faster, see Pirro) he'd be lapping around 1m42s, which is easily within the WSBK field and just 3s off Rea's fastest time this year.
 
rac1ngsnak3 said:
I sync'd the 2 videos and noticed some things:

First, it sounds like splitting hairs but Savadori's lap is actually a 1m45.29s and not 45.123. Also Redding's time is significantly faster than a 1m45s. It's more like 1m43.2s. Redding was probably 1.5-2s faster than Savadori. Two things that I think affect these results. Redding is a higher caliber rider as evidence by him challenging for the WSBK championship and Savadori is in WSSP and WSTK. And more likely, Savadori has to give himself a margin of error since he's on a press launch and not about to bin it. I'm also pretty sure Redding's bike is properly sprung for his weight while Savadori is on bone-stock bike.

Second, Savadori was using a gear less on more of the circuit than Redding due to the taller gearing on the '22.

It would've be awesome to have seen Redding on the '22 because by transitive property (pro rider would be 0.5s faster, see Pirro) he'd be lapping around 1m42s, which is easily within the WSBK field and just 3s off Rea's fastest time this year.
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Redding practice bike is stock V4S 2019 with Full Akra, some geometry changes, electronic suspension. He ran Pirelli, likely SC0s on that day.

Obviously he is better at Jerez vs. Luca who never raced there, but all in all it shows that bikes are identical
 
panibadboy said:
Redding practice bike is stock V4S 2019 with Full Akra, some geometry changes, electronic suspension. He ran Pirelli, likely SC0s on that day.

Obviously he is better at Jerez vs. Luca who never raced there, but all in all it shows that bikes are identical
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By these facts I’d argue that the bikes are FAR FROM identical. So Redding was on a properly sorted bike with full-on quali’s and Luca was on a bog-stock bike with SC1’s (normal people Supercorsa SC1, not Superbike SC1 with the bigger contact patch) and therefore the comparison is apples to oranges.
 
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rac1ngsnak3 said:
By these facts I’d argue that the bikes are FAR FROM identical. So Redding was on a properly sorted bike with full-on quali’s and Luca was on a bog-stock bike with SC1’s (normal people Supercorsa SC1, not Superbike SC1 with the bigger contact patch) and therefore the comparison is apples to oranges.
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They are 65mm front 200mm rear sc1s mate. Same sizes as Redding uses. Considering Dec temperature at Jerez now, reasonable choice.
 
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