Rapid Bike Race module - 1299 S

I poked around in a couple of other threads, but they were mostly focused on cruising vs. performance, so apologies if I missed some of this information elsewhere.

Looking to get some real world experience more on the performance side of things. I typically use the bike for track/race days and a little commuting. However, I'm more than willing to put up with little idiosyncrasies on the daily commute if it translates to better track performance/functionality.

Couple questions:

1. How is the auto-mapping from a race/track perspective? I've always been of the mindset to dyno and map accordingly for max output/useability. Although, I do see the potential benefits of auto-mapping, which can take into account the days current conditions (air temp/humidity etc.). I also read (on their site) that it takes roughly 200km for the auto-remap to complete.. This would likely be more miles than a full track day and would defeat the purpose, yes?

2. I see that it also has the ability to manage TC, QS, and EB while also adding Launch Control and pit limiter, which is cool. However, if this is installed, am I forced to now use the RB to manage everything? Can the factory system still be utilized as it was originally, or does the RB system completely take over?

I ask because I'm fairly happy with the factory setup and manageability on the 1299 S AND I'd like to take advantage of the EVO update coming pretty soon as well.

I'm looking to have Phl do some of his handy work on the exhaust and this was recommended to help clean up the tune after changes are made. Just trying to get a handle on the RB product.

Anyway, feel free to chime in with your thoughts and/or experience on the matter, it would be much appreciated.

I dont know about using the automap feature "from scratch". Mine was dyno tuned for U4.4 (race fuel). But during the day my chief will plug the laptop in and he can see what changes the RB tuner wants to make, then he can choose to either accept them or not.

I dont know if he ever actually accepts them, i havent paid that much attention. I just see him over there with the laptop.

Just the RB tuner itself doesnt give you Launch Control, you need the add-on YouTune module for that. But you can choose to JUST use the Launch Control and not activate any of the other stuff. That is what we did.

Can I get a pic of how/where you mounted the YouTune? I'm currently having this installed with their wideband setup.

Chaotic said:

I dont know about using the automap feature "from scratch". Mine was dyno tuned for U4.4 (race fuel). But during the day my chief will plug the laptop in and he can see what changes the RB tuner wants to make, then he can choose to either accept them or not.

I dont know if he ever actually accepts them, i havent paid that much attention. I just see him over there with the laptop.

Just the RB tuner itself doesnt give you Launch Control, you need the add-on YouTune module for that. But you can choose to JUST use the Launch Control and not activate any of the other stuff. That is what we did.

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Thanks for the info. Much appreciated.

Did you guys have any trouble with the O2 sensors and running U4.4? I run U4.4 in my MX race bikes and wasn't sure about running it in the Pani and then getting on the dyno for tune.

You're going to want to upgrade from the factory o2 sensors to widebands to get the most out of the RB module. Narrowbands have their limitations.

Oh and Chris, by how did you, I obviously meant Livengood.

Rogue said:

You're going to want to upgrade from the factory o2 sensors to widebands to get the most out of the RB module. Narrowbands have their limitations.

Oh and Chris, by how did you, I obviously meant Livengood.

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Ah ok, gotcha. Thanks. Any recommendations for what/where to purchase the wideband sensors? Will the wideband sensors work with the stock ECU or only with the RB?

My Tuning Bike: CAN-BUS auto tuning module | Rapid Bike adaptive fuel injection tuning for all sport bikes.

They can be your one stop shop for everything. The entire module, YouTune, sensors package is about $1700. But if you shop around with some of the known forum vendors, you can get a deal.

Just a note, you need a pair of those (auto-tune) along with these bits.

You Tune | Rapid Bike adaptive fuel injection tuning for all sport bikes.

RapidBike Racing with adaptive tuning for DUCATI motorcycles | Rapid Bike adaptive fuel injection tuning for all sport bikes.

Products Price Quantity Total
My Tuning Bike: CAN-BUS auto tuning module
MY TUNING BIKE K27-CAN-001 $325.00
1
$325.00 ✖
My Tuning Bike: CAN-BUS auto tuning module
MY TUNING BIKE K27-CAN-001B $325.00
1
$325.00 ✖
You Tune
$360.00
1
$360.00 ✖
RB RACING DUCATI PANIGALE 1299 / S
PLEASE SPECIFY akra $775.00
1
$775.00 ✖
Subtotal $1,785.00



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Not sure how soon the kit will be here for the install, I'll post pics after I get it all sorted out.

After poking around on the RB site, it looks like I want one of these as well...

SPRINT FILTER "P16" 899/1199/1299/R/Superleggera | Rapid Bike adaptive fuel injection tuning for all sport bikes.

IMHO. You should call or send an email to Yaman at Rapidbike. He will advise you and your needs based on your wants. He's probably the best person to talk to and will take the time to explain anything you want to know.
Yaman
(407)277-5557
[email protected]

Rogue said:

You're going to want to upgrade from the factory o2 sensors to widebands to get the most out of the RB module. Narrowbands have their limitations.

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Does this mean the RapidBike proponents were bullshitting when they were espousing the RapidBike module with the narrow band sensors (when RapidBike did not yet have a wide band facility)? I find this hilarious and typical.

Not sure what you mean but here's line one:

Please note: My Tuning Bike kit greatly improves speed and accuracy but it is not necessary for EVO or RACE systems Auto adaptive tuning future.

There are several members on here that race with the module alone with great results. I only know of one using WB's. I'm confident that mine would work well without, but I'm told by my guy that I want them.

Rogue said:

Oh and Chris, by how did you, I obviously meant Livengood.

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He mounted it directly under the dash, laying flat on top of the fairing stay (Motoholders fairing stay).

I am not sure how he routed the wire, but that is where it is mounted. It looks really good, like OEM.

MotoX183 said:

Thanks for the info. Much appreciated.

Did you guys have any trouble with the O2 sensors and running U4.4? I run U4.4 in my MX race bikes and wasn't sure about running it in the Pani and then getting on the dyno for tune.

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Umm, well, in all honesty, I don't know anything about any of that.

But we have been running U4.4 all year with no issues whatsoever.

Do it. I have the RapidBike Race on my 1299 pani with Termignoni evo slip on, sprint p16 filter and 520 conversion with 41t sprocket and it's insane fun.

My bike rides super smooth with better throttle response and the midrange no longer has the flat spot around 7k rpm.

I ride mostly canyons and haven't had the chance to track my bike, but I'm absolutely satisfied with the end result of the RB module.

I'm sure just the module and filter alone would vastly improve response and ride-ability.

I have RB EVO + 1299 decatted system + Sprint filter + 3t up on the rear. Its made my 1199 a much sweeter bike to ride.

Do you guys think the RB module will do just as good of a job as a dyno tuner would do?

I also installed a P16 air filter and I can tell when you crack the throttle after it's been in maintenance throttle that there seems to be a delay in throttle response. Nothing else was changed, so I'm assuming the computer's slow in reacting to the 210% more surface area air flow from the air filter, so I wanted to see if this RB module would tune for that just as good as a dyno tuner would.

I realize that it has auto tuning so it's constantly looking to enhance itself, but I read some members say that it requires you to go into the program and accept the auto tuning. Is that true? Or can it tune and accept the changes on its own?

timwu12 said:

Do you guys think the RB module will do just as good of a job as a dyno tuner would do?

I also installed a P16 air filter and I can tell when you crack the throttle after it's been in maintenance throttle that there seems to be a delay in throttle response. Nothing else was changed, so I'm assuming the computer's slow in reacting to the 210% more surface area air flow from the air filter, so I wanted to see if this RB module would tune for that just as good as a dyno tuner would.

I realize that it has auto tuning so it's constantly looking to enhance itself, but I read some members say that it requires you to go into the program and accept the auto tuning. Is that true? Or can it tune and accept the changes on its own?

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I'm no expert by any stretch of the imagination, but from what I've been reading and researching, there are basically 2 levels of auto-tune.

You get the basic "auto adaptive" feature from the EVO and/or RACE systems natively and they leverage the stock narrowband O2 sensors. My assumption here is that you must go into the program and accept the recommendations generated from the RB module. Just like I've done with Bazzaz in the past.

The other option is adding the "My Tuning Bike" can-bus module ($325/per cylinder), which includes the wideband O2 sensors. This allows for real-time auto-tuning of the injection map. **NOTE** the wideband sensors DO NOT replace the stock NB sensors and must be installed IN ADDITION to the WB sensors, UNLESS you have had your ecu flashed to disable the stock NB sensors.

MotoX183 said:

**NOTE** the wideband sensors DO NOT replace the stock NB sensors and must be installed IN ADDITION to the WB sensors, UNLESS you have had your ecu flashed to disable the stock NB sensors.

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What would be nifty is to use the narrowband output from any wideband O2 sensor and loop it back to the ecm. Most aftermarket wideband setups have the simulated narrowband output. No reason why they couldn't do it on this one, I'll find out soon enough I suppose.

I've run a similar setup on a couple of bikes previously, wideband for datalogging, narrowband for output to the ecm.

For this particular setup, it was a requirement, nobody else had even done it, so knowing what the air/fuel mix was made it a bit important. Narrowband simply won't cut it in this case. Yes, I know the display is huge, it was for testing and tuning so it didn't bother me much.
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DJ377 said:

IMHO. You should call or send an email to Yaman at Rapidbike. He will advise you and your needs based on your wants. He's probably the best person to talk to and will take the time to explain anything you want to know.
Yaman
(407)277-5557
[email protected]

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Yaman is a good dude!

He really try's his best to help you and he knows his stuff..That is a rarity nowadays..
Speedy