SC Project S1 - 2016 1299s

MotoX183 · Nov 29, 2016

Has anyone picked up the SC Project exhaust for the 1299? Looking for some sound and performance #s if anyone has any. Still have the stocker on the 1299s and would like to drop it to save some weight, possibly add some performance and make it sound a little better.

If you do have one, are you running a RapidBike or Tuneboy with it? Photos/Vids/comments/recommendations/experience welcomed.

NW1299 · Nov 29, 2016

MotoX183 said:
Has anyone picked up the SC Project exhaust for the 1299? Looking for some sound and performance #s if anyone has any. Still have the stocker on the 1299s and would like to drop it to save some weight, possibly add some performance and make it sound a little better.

If you do have one, are you running a RapidBike or Tuneboy with it? Photos/Vids/comments/recommendations/experience welcomed.

+1.

Ross40 · Nov 30, 2016

MotoX183 said:
Has anyone picked up the SC Project exhaust for the 1299? Looking for some sound and performance #s if anyone has any. Still have the stocker on the 1299s and would like to drop it to save some weight, possibly add some performance and make it sound a little better.

If you do have one, are you running a RapidBike or Tuneboy with it? Photos/Vids/comments/recommendations/experience welcomed.

Also curious, was so close to clicking the purchase button the other day.

Alpha Male · Dec 2, 2016

MotoX183 said:
Has anyone picked up the SC Project exhaust for the 1299? Looking for some sound and performance #s if anyone has any. Still have the stocker on the 1299s and would like to drop it to save some weight, possibly add some performance and make it sound a little better.

If you do have one, are you running a RapidBike or Tuneboy with it? Photos/Vids/comments/recommendations/experience welcomed.

+1

I almost bought it because it was 40% cheaper and more affordable compared to the Akraboringbitch exhaust.

Phil · Dec 6, 2016

Going to order mine next week for my New 1299 S, but it won't be installed before the end of the break in. I'll keep you in touch about it.

Alpha Male · Dec 6, 2016

Phil said:
Going to order mine next week for my New 1299 S, but it won't be installed before the end of the break in. I'll keep you in touch about it.

Please post pics thanks mate

bradp51 · Dec 6, 2016

Alpha Male said:
+1

I almost bought it because it was 40% cheaper and more affordable compared to the Akraboringbitch exhaust.

Thats a big call from someone who does not have one and probably never ridden a bike with one on it, or perhaps heard one at full noise.

I have heard people say they are overpriced but never boring.

The Akrapovic Evo system is the best thing I have put on my bike. The workmanship and attention to detail is amazing. Instructions to fit are first class with ceramic past and thread lock supplied. They even supply Ti bolts to with holes to safety wire as replacement for your O2 sensors.

Phl · Dec 6, 2016

you cannot compare the akra with the SC.

to put it this way: the sc is a fairly simple pipe with a very short and mostly inefficient muffler, simple routing, just sticking out on the side.

the akra on the other hand is an exhaust that has been tailored to fit the big picture (/beauty) of the bike while providing performance gains.

RetardedTiming · Dec 6, 2016

bradp51 said:
Thats a big call from someone who does not have one and probably never ridden a bike with one on it, or perhaps heard one at full noise.

...or coming from the same guy that thinks the v-twin sounds horrible. Dude has issues that not even the sweet music of a v-twin can fix. No hope for him.

Phil · Dec 6, 2016

I just hope it won't be ridiculously loud as we have restrictions on our race tracks here in France (yes this is dumb). But to me the Akrapovic sounds nice, but not "badass" like the SC Project.

My dealer told me i would get the full system for 3600€ (approx 3800$) installed, do you guys thinks it's worth it ? I'm 99% sure for getting a SC Project though...

Gecko · Dec 6, 2016

Phil said:
I just hope it won't be ridiculously loud as we have restrictions on our race tracks here in France (yes this is dumb). But to me the Akrapovic sounds nice, but not "badass" like the SC Project.

My dealer told me i would get the full system for 3600€ (approx 3800$) installed, do you guys thinks it's worth it ? I'm 99% sure for getting a SC Project though...

SC project in France? Forget it pal. Sorry, I am not allowed to ride in Dijon and Anneaux Du Rhin with any non-OEM exhaust!

Why do I have the strange feeling that this thread is going into the some kind of "Groundhog day" AR-exhaust thing?

Phl · Dec 6, 2016

Phil said:
I just hope it won't be ridiculously loud as we have restrictions on our race tracks here in France (yes this is dumb). But to me the Akrapovic sounds nice, but not "badass" like the SC Project.

My dealer told me i would get the full system for 3600€ (approx 3800$) installed, do you guys thinks it's worth it ? I'm 99% sure for getting a SC Project though...

well, the SC is gonna get you a nice free accommodation inn jail in that case.

from what i've heard the SC is in the top 3 of the loudest exhausts out there for the pani...

merde alors

Phil · Dec 6, 2016

Phl said:
well, the SC is gonna get you a nice free accommodation inn jail in that case.

from what i've heard the SC is in the top 3 of the loudest exhausts out there for the pani...

merde alors

That's what i have heard yes, but i think i'm ready to take the risk

, i mean if i have to be loud, let's just be loud with the SC Project, i can pay a lot of tickets with the 2000€ extra i would have to add to get the Akrapovic haha.

Gecko said:
SC project in France? Forget it pal. Sorry, I am not allowed to ride in Dijon and Anneaux Du Rhin with any non-OEM exhaust!

Why do I have the strange feeling that this thread is going into the some kind of "Groundhog day" AR-exhaust thing?

Well the problem is that even in OEM exhaust it is still too loud for some tracks, there are still some that do no verify the loudness of the exhaust.

Yesterday one guy working on the race track where i plan to ride my Panigale told me that it will be okay as Ducati's aren't loud, i bet he has never heard the SC Project haha !

Alpha Male · Dec 7, 2016

bradp51 said:
Thats a big call from someone who does not have one and probably never ridden a bike with one on it, or perhaps heard one at full noise.

I have heard people say they are overpriced but never boring.

The Akrapovic Evo system is the best thing I have put on my bike. The workmanship and attention to detail is amazing. Instructions to fit are first class with ceramic past and thread lock supplied. They even supply Ti bolts to with holes to safety wire as replacement for your O2 sensors.

I used to have a CBR600RR and i had an Akra on it - i didnt even know how good it was until one day i had to put it back on my bike with a silencer in it after the pigs put a yellow sticker on my bike for noise violation

It was the most expensive slip on i had ever paid for almost $1000 !!!!

MotoX183 · Dec 7, 2016

Phl said:
you cannot compare the akra with the SC.

to put it this way: the sc is a fairly simple pipe with a very short and mostly inefficient muffler, simple routing, just sticking out on the side.

the akra on the other hand is an exhaust that has been tailored to fit the big picture (/beauty) of the bike while providing performance gains.

You're more or less on point with this. However, there are a couple things that stand out for me.

1. SC makes some great exhaust systems for MotoGP teams. This tells me they generally know what they are doing or the top teams in the world wouldn't trust them at all.

2. I honestly feel like the the Akra, while very nice to look at by maintaining the lines of the original design, is just that. Nice to look at. It may very well provide some gains from stock, but just about anything else with CATs removed would do roughly the same.

3. My two biggest issues with the Akra are the price and overall reliability. And with the reliability where it is, I can't justify the price. I was just about to pull the trigger on one, but after having held TWO different broken headers in my own hands and hearing of countless others, I just won't do it.

Honestly, at the end of the day, titanium just doesn't cost that much. Sure there is a good amount of R&D that goes into the cost, but again, they have sooo much experience producing exhaust systems and it's not like they are starting from scratch, so it doesn't really justify the cost.

Sadly, these bikes are a dime a dozen these days (of course when I can finally get one, everyone has one), so the volume is measurable and there isn't really a reason for the large surcharge, other than it's a Ducati and people will pay it.

double0 · Dec 7, 2016

MotoX183 said:
You're more or less on point with this. However, there are a couple things that stand out for me.

1. SC makes some great exhaust systems for MotoGP teams. This tells me they generally know what they are doing or the top teams in the world wouldn't trust them at all.

2. I honestly feel like the the Akra, while very nice to look at by maintaining the lines of the original design, is just that. Nice to look at. It may very well provide some gains from stock, but just about anything else with CATs removed would do roughly the same.

3. My two biggest issues with the Akra are the price and overall reliability. And with the reliability where it is, I can't justify the price. I was just about to pull the trigger on one, but after having held TWO different broken headers in my own hands and hearing of countless others, I just won't do it.

Honestly, at the end of the day, titanium just doesn't cost that much. Sure there is a good amount of R&D that goes into the cost, but again, they have sooo much experience producing exhaust systems and it's not like they are starting from scratch, so it doesn't really justify the cost.

Sadly, these bikes are a dime a dozen these days (of course when I can finally get one, everyone has one), so the volume is measurable and there isn't really a reason for the large surcharge, other than it's a Ducati and people will pay it.

I think you're shortchanging the Akrapovic exhaust a bit here.

While I agree that exhaust manufacturers obviously have an advantage in mass producing units in a timely fashion as well as titanium not costing that much, the company has stated that this exhaust for the Panigale was by far the most difficult to make. It is one of the reasons why they took forever to make them for the Panigale.

Racing them may have a different effect on the headers breaking but I don't see this as a common issue. Maybe a one off type of problem.

Fact is, it's all about supply and demand. Look at where the old termi system is. You can get the full system for like $1700 brand new from designcorse. That system was literally double that price when there was no other option. Once Akrapovic came out, it killed the brand and its relations with Ducati. Now they can't get rid of it for half the price and it comes with the upmap whereas the evo system does not.

The SC exhaust does sound nice but it simply doesn't flow with the lines of the bike. Just looks out of place a bit. If there were no sound regulations for track, racing and even street riding, mayyyybe. In the end, it's all a preference. Hell, I spent $3400 on my Evo system for no other reason than sound so go figure.

Rogue · Dec 7, 2016

MotoX183 said:
2. I honestly feel like the the Akra, while very nice to look at by maintaining the lines of the original design, is just that. Nice to look at. It may very well provide some gains from stock, but just about anything else with CATs removed would do roughly the same.

Have to disagree with this. Same bike, same dyno, I tested an exhaust similar to the SC and the overall numbers/line were very different than the Akrapovic.

Phl · Dec 7, 2016

Rogue said:
Have to disagree with this. Same bike, same dyno, I tested an exhaust similar to the SC and the overall numbers/line were very different than the Akrapovic.

where were they different? always interested in stuff like that.

Rogue · Dec 7, 2016

Overall torque line was different. The Akra didn't make as much tq down low but made more hp overall. I don't remember exact numbers but it was significant. I can email you the dyno sheets if you'd like.

MotoX183 · Dec 7, 2016

Rogue said:
Have to disagree with this. Same bike, same dyno, I tested an exhaust similar to the SC and the overall numbers/line were very different than the Akrapovic.

I'm curious how much difference there was. Do you still have charts by chance? Also, was mapping/fueling changed between the two? Wide/narrow band sensors used?

The Akra with the pre-defined upmap would most likely outperform another/different exhaust with the same mapping in place. And, if only tuning with narrow-band sensors, wouldn't be able to get a solid AFR of around 12.8-13.2 for ideal power output through the whole range across both cylinders.

All things being equal, the Akra may just have better flow characteristics than the other options, but if equally tuned, I can't imagine they'd be all that far off from each other. At the end of the day, the power gains are nice, but I'd honestly be more interested in the overall weight savings over the stock setup. The bike already puts out impressive numbers and I have yet to fully harness all that is there.

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