*SPOILER ALERT* MOTO GP '14 2nd race @ COTA

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mark419ny said:
always an excuse he lost 8th place thats it no excuse you were all yapping about his second place finish just like he did last year 3 weeks ago. now he finishes 8th and its the tires or whatever . last year he was 6th now 8th. so yea he sure is back :rolleyes: 7 other races finished with their front tire. guess he was trying to hard in the beginning maybe he should adapt. oh i forgot he cant do that he has to have everything perfect for him.
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Poor trolling attempt... you can do better. Nobody expected the front tire issues that so many riders experienced.

Motomatters published a good write-up to summarize the race. Their part on the tire issues:

Andrea Iannone led the chase for the Repsols on the Pramac Ducati, with Cal Crutchlow close on his heels. Valentino Rossi joined the fray, along with Stefan Bradl and Andrea Dovizioso. Cal Crutchlow was the first to drop off the front, pitting for a new rear tire, then going back out only to suffer a massive crash in which he dislocated his finger. But with Iannone, Rossi and Bradl all battling for 3rd, trouble started to arise just before the halfway mark.

Valentino Rossi was the first man to run into trouble, Rossi' plummeting like a stone after a very strong start. His lap times went from high 2'04s to mid 2'07s in just a couple of laps, with rider after rider streaming past him. Andrea Iannone was the next to suffer, losing a couple of seconds and falling back into the clutches of Stefan Bradl, before dropping even further back to end the race in 7th. And Stefan Bradl was the final victim at the front, holding out to near the end, losing out only once he got caught up in battle with Bradley Smith.

The problem was simply one of tires. Not, as many had feared, the rear tire, but instead the harder of the two front options. Most riders suffered severe wear on the front tire, making it harder and harder to manage the bike. Valentino Rossi was one of the more serious victims, with Colin Edwards also in a bad shape. Andrea Iannone had similar problems, while for Stefan Bradl, it meant he had no chance of attempting to attack Dovizioso. Pol Espargaro, after a strong start to the race, ran into the same trouble and had to let his teammate Bradley Smith go.

The race turned into a war of tire management, though the victors in that battle won more by accident than by planning. Andrea Dovizioso had been ill all weekend, and knowing that Austin was the most physical track on the circuit, paced himself early in the race. He let the front group go a little, benefiting when they succumbed to tire wear. This wasn't a conscious strategy for tire wear, but Dovizioso had made a virtue of his weakened condition. The Ducati rider was forced to manage his own fitness, and in doing so, ended up with more tire.

Bradley Smith benefited from his own mistake in the early laps of the race. The Monster Tech 3 Yamaha rider overheated his brakes in the first couple of laps, as well as cooking his tires. Realizing he had to be more careful, he backed off a little, tangling with his rookie teammate Pol Espargaro. Riding more calmly his brakes and tire recovered, and Smith had a bit more front tire when everyone else had destroyed theirs.
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2014 Austin MotoGP Sunday Round Up: Of Cracking Under Pressure, And Accidental Tire Management | MotoMatters.com | Kropotkin Thinks
 
mark419ny said:
always an excuse he lost 8th place thats it no excuse you were all yapping about his second place finish just like he did last year 3 weeks ago. now he finishes 8th and its the tires or whatever . last year he was 6th now 8th. so yea he sure is back :rolleyes: 7 other races finished with their front tire. guess he was trying to hard in the beginning maybe he should adapt. oh i forgot he cant do that he has to have everything perfect for him.
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By this logic, JLo is one of the worst riders on the grid! Screwed up the start?? Sounds like another excuse for a rider at the end of his career to me! ;)

The voices of the riders are unanimous: degradation of the front tire is directly related to how hard the rider pushed during the first 6-8 laps. Rossi was coming like a freight train, because he clearly has the pace/ability - and consequently, he dropped like a stone. Then Iannone, then Bradl and Smith, then Pol....Dovi gave a very good and honest reason during the post race press conference for his podium. Even he wasn't delusional enough to think he'd beat those guys under almost any other circumstances.

So that begs the question, what's up with Marc? No front tire problems? Think about this: he's the only man using the hard rear tire, and using it like a boss. This means that to make it work, he must be absolutely punishing that rear tire, and thus is probably riding on the rear more than the front. This is at least my theory.....that makes the mystery man Dani....maybe he rides the same, but unfortunately had the softer option rear and thus couldn't keep the pace later on? It's my theory, open to opinions.... :cool:
 
I think Marquez is just simply faster than everyone else, he wants it more, has no fear, has more talent, and has an uncanny ability to save what appear from the outside to be multiple near-crashes every time he goes out and shrug it off like it's normal. He is now what Rossi was 10 years ago.
 
jarelj said:
I think Marquez is just simply faster than everyone else, he wants it more, has no fear, has more talent, and has an uncanny ability to save what appear from the outside to be multiple near-crashes every time he goes out and shrug it off like it's normal. He is now what Rossi was 10 years ago.
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rossi 10 years ago didn't have the comp that marquez has now. sete gib caparossi give me a break he started having comp in 07 and lost to stoner. yes he won 2 in a row after that good job but marquez is not the new rossi he is the first marquez.
 
ok lets see motogp is going to argentina next. nobody has been there. where does rossi finish lets hear this remember he is back
 
marquez is not the new rossi he is the first marquez
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Right, and in 5 years or so we'll be talking about how he's washed up because some kid will show up and make him look like a has been. :)

It's only a matter of time!
 
don't come and "circle of life" us :D :D :D

that'd be too easy ;)
 
mark419ny said:
rossi 10 years ago didn't have the comp that marquez has now. sete gib caparossi give me a break he started having comp in 07 and lost to stoner. yes he won 2 in a row after that good job but marquez is not the new rossi he is the first marquez.
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I agree with Mark that Marc is starting out better than Rossi did. Don't get me wrong, Rossi was and still is phenomenal, all things considered. I don't necessarily believe Caparossi and Sete were nothing to deal with, Rossi only recently surpassed Caparossi's point record if I remember correctly.

That being said, I'm going to make a very bold prediction: I think that Marquez's peak dominance will either be this year, or MAYBE early next year. Here is why:

Marc's riding style is the "new" riding style. This includes riding the bike "over the limit" so to speak. We have the western riding style which Nicky Hayden has so brilliantly displayed in the past, sliding the rear into corners (watch Laguna Seca 2006, brilliant). Then we have the European style, which is ultra smooth, no sliding, high corner speed. JLo was/is probably the epitome of this style, practically perfected. Rossi used to be there as well, though is now doing an amazing job of conforming to a more competitive style. Everyone thought the future was the European style, due to tire degradation, ect.

Those people are now being proven wrong I believe, by nearly every competitive rider in the Moto2 class. I think the Moto2 600cc bikes are solely responsible for what I call the "new style". Extreme body positioning, sliding the bike, knee, elbow, shoulder, everything down. It's an attempt to get every last piece of performance out of the bike and even control it while it's slipping and sliding everywhere. And Marc is good at it. VERY good at it.

It also helps that the Repsol Honda is probably by far the best bike for this style in the first place. I wonder if he'd be this successful on any other bike. I think Casey Stoner was actually the first to start adapting this style in MotoGP, which is why he was so fast during the end of his career, and probably why he was fast on the Desmo. It's just that Marc got all the experience in Moto2 perfecting it, and brought it straight into MotoGP. No wonder he can use that hard rear!

So why do I think this year or early next is the peak of Marc's dominance? Because we're going to have a flood of Moto2 riders arriving very quickly. Some are already here. Keep watching Pol Espargaro, Andrea Iannone, Scott Redding, ect as their bikes improve. I think as Moto2 style riders move up into MotoGP, Marc is going to find himself in a bit more competition, and my prediction is that happens sometime next year.

....I could be wrong though, it's happened before. :D
 
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i say barring injury we are looking at at least 8 years. I am also saying rossi wasn't great he did the job can't take it away from him no matter who the comp was he still had to win and he did. But these fans swearing he is back he's not and not coming back. he was done in 2010.
 
i think scott reding is over rated he never impressed me in moto 2. pol can't beat marquez never has been nor iaonne. Bradl did one year in moto 2 cause mark got hurt. in any case lets hear it rossi fans where does he place at a track he has never been to
 
Yeah, it's the first thing he wanted to see when he got off the bike after the race. He knew that tire was completely gone.
 
Eleven 99 said:
Yeah, it's the first thing he wanted to see when he got off the bike after the race. He knew that tire was completely gone.
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I noticed that as well. Very good for him that he was able to adjust on the fly and finish. Based on Dovi's comments, it seems this track is particularly harsh on both tires and riders. He had mentioned that lines were changing with each lap.
 
Phl said:
Got pics?
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Unfortunately none of much quality. My phone died Saturday afternoon, but the wife did snap a couple with her phone that I'll see if I can upload. I estimate there were around 250-300 Ducatis in the parade lap, and probably close to 800 others. I spotted quite a few Panis in addition to a D16RR, which I was surprised to see. All Ducati models were pretty well represented.
 
all the factories have the same choice of tires. should have went with marquez had. thats 2 races in a row he used hard compound (rear tire)
 
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Marc Marquez is a phenom, this whole deal reminds me of Kenny Roberts, after having ZERO competition in US road racing, he went to Europe and blew everyone away in 500 GP, he had is own riding technique, AMA class C flat track and an other worldly ability. He then opened up a racing school in Barcelona Spain, and taught riders American dirt flat track racing, before moving them onto asphalt with mini road race bikes, to get them used to sliding the front getting in,and sliding the rear coming off the corner. It's fitting that Marquez would be the first rookie champ in Moto GP since Roberts, and break Freddy Spencers record of the youngest ever Moto GP champ, it was Spencer that beat Kenny for the championship. We are all witnessing something that just does not happen very often, he has taken the game to a whole new level and it will take time for everyone to figure out what in the hell he's doing, then try it for themselves. He's a Jedi.
 
mark419ny said:
all the factories have the same choice of tires. should have went with marquez had. thats 2 races in a row he used hard compound (rear tire)
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Because when the riders were testing the tires they didn't have any reason to believe they were going to experience tire failure during the race. I don't think anyone would have been able to keep pace with Marc, but Rossi was definitely looking very strong for another podium and other riders would have been able to fight for better positions.
Stefan Bradl had to settle for fourth in Sunday's Americas MotoGP, the LCR Honda rider being plagued by tyre issues throughout the race.

Like many riders, Bradl suffered severe graining on the front tyre causing its performance to drop rapidly in the second half of the race.

"It looks good and our pace was OK," Bradl told Crash.net. "It was unfortunate to miss the podium but it was so close. I struggled so much with my front tyre. It was unbelievable and I started to grain after ten laps and I can be happy to finish the race. I'm a little bit disappointed to miss the podium."

When asked if he was surprised by the tyre problems, Bradl commented that going into the race tyre life was not a concern for him:

"We used these tyres for more than 20 laps this weekend without any problems. Then today many people suffered with the front tyres. It's strange and when you look at the tyre wear it is unbelievable and I've never seen a tyre like this. From that perspective I can be happy to finish the race and fourth is not too bad for us. It's unlucky to be so close to the podium and to miss it. I haven't talked to Bridgestone yet but we'll investigate it and speak to our technicians and I think that it will be a general comment of the riders to have a meeting with them."

Bradl joined the likes of Valentino Rossi, Andrea Iannone and Scott Redding in suffering the front tyre misery.

The next race of the MotoGP campaign sees the teams travel to Argentina for a new round of the championship. Last year Bradl was one of the riders who visited the circuit and he clearly came away impressed:

"It could be a good track for MotoGP and really fast. I think that we can enjoy it and we'll see how the weather is and the track conditions. Hopefully it will be fun because the track looks good there."
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Mark, rossi is BACK!!!

On a side note, in fantasy Im 140th overall position on the 5th page...Overall score is 198pts!!! Where is everyone else at?

In all seriousness, Rossi is riding better this year. That tire he HAD to use this week was not what he wanted. Either way they all have the same conditions and he will adapt...I predict rossi will finish higher then JLO this year in the championship...not just saying that cause hes well ahead at this point, just how I feel. Im sure Rossi will crash out at some point too. But the Honda is a BEAST this year and MM will finish with more points then last year!!!

On to Argentina!!!
 

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