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JONAH

JONAH

Joined Dec 2011
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£1500 quoted (i,l let you work out that in $) thats fitted for the end cans (not full system) are they worth that money?? or should i stick to the standard cans? This will be my first ever Ducati and i have to admit purely on sound alone the ones ive heard sound fantastic but £1500 is a lot of money just to make it sound better!!
 
Ducati die hards won't put anything but a Termi on a Ducati and imho their pricing reflects that kind of obstinate loyalty, artificially inflating their prices. I'm holding off. Once the bike is out several vendors should have their own systems. As always, there won't be a whole lot of difference between the power of one system vs. another, but guaranteed there will be a difference in pricing, materials, sound and style.

Additionally, modding the bike out of the crate doesn't give you the satisfaction of upgrading the bike and feeling the impact on performance those modifications have made.
 
The full Tremi, if I remember correctly shaves about 8 lbs off the bike. It also comes with a remap specifically for that which should bump the hp just above or just about at 200. I pre-ordered mine (approx $3,500 US) as the US dealers only get to place one order for the accessories this year. Again that is from what I am told.

I think either way the 1199 will sound awesome, a bit less muffled with the full Tremi.
 
I would go with Akrapovic myself, however they are pricier than the Termi in may instances and the Termi does come with a dedicated ECU. Not sure it that is the case with the 1199, since no longer using a non reprogramable ECU like the MM195
 
$3500 represents 16% of the cost of the S and almost 20% of the cost of the base Panigale (or to put things in perspective, Ducati can build and sell an entire, completely new 696 Monster for just a little over the cost it requires Termi to build 2 full systems). For an exhaust!!!! It's tubes and a silencer. I know the work that goes into designing and building these, but seriously....
 
The price for the exhaust is pretty astronomical. Also, as far as I know, it's not a dedicated ECU but a downloadable program (there is the standard ECU program, one for the header only and one for the entire system).
 
Termi's have been overpriced for way too long, period!
I would look at Akrapovics for true race winning history AND reasonable (or more reasonable) price. Anyone who pays $3500 for an exhaust system is crazy in my opinion, or has lots of cash to spare. As it has been mentioned, these are just metal pipes mostly. No electronics, no mechanical actuators, etc.
 
for me this added to fuel for the fire when i went with the tri-colore as the cans came with it. got a wicked deal from my dealer on the rest of the system and installed that i couldn't pass up.
 
Manufacturers Warranty

I seem to remember that Ducati will only undertake warranty claims if the bike has Termis. Any other aftermarket exhaust nullifies the warranty?
 
usrodeo5 said:
The akrapovic slip ons for the 1198 are priced at around $1,166 and gained 6+ hp...which if the same holds true for the 1199 it would be over that 200 hp threshold...just sayin...btw the full system is titanium and priced at around $3,130. Titanium is expensive. They don't yet have 1199 exhausts listed on their website.
SLIP-ON OPEN EXHAUST SYSTEM for the DUCATI 1198S - Akrapovi
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Look guys I've been into this Ducati thing for quite a while, the Akro full system at $3100 still requires a remap and with the
flash and dyno time or a tuneboy and dyno or bizzaz and dyno - you get the picture, you're almost always well over a grand to get the bike running properly.
So that's well over $4100 to get the bike set-up and running right.

When you add it all up often the temri with a dedicated ECU and performance air filter is cheaper than most other systems.

A lot of guys just cram a pair of mufflers on their bikes for $1200 and live with it running like .....
I'm just not gonna do that - not on a $25,000 Italian superbike.

Power Commanders haven't been able to tune past Ducati's o2 sensors since 06 so they are all but useless on a modern Duc.
It take's a lot of work to get most of the late model bikes running right.
Unfortunately even the Full Termi system is running closed loop on the 10 and 11 bikes and some of them cannot easily be tuned and they run like .... too.
So lately the Termis haven't been as good a deal as in past years.

We'll see how this one pans out, maybe they've finally got it together but I'm not overly optimistic.
 
PANERISTI said:
how much do dealers discount on parts and accessories when you purchase the bike?
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my dealer discounted £0.00!! its full price or standard cans.
I expect that will proberbly be the same for most,as there going to be high demand for aftermarket parts so they have no reason to discount them or offer them as sweeteners in order to get the bike.
 
flynbulldog said:
Not true in the US We have laws against such a monopoly.
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Well...there's no law against that. They'd have to prove that it was the aftermarket exhaust that caused the problem. If you go with the Termi's with an ECU program supplied by Ducati there won't be any issues. But say you burn up a valve and have an Akro with a power commander, you might be in for a fight.
 
bwaide said:
Well...there's no law against that. They'd have to prove that it was the aftermarket exhaust that caused the problem. If you go with the Termi's with an ECU program supplied by Ducati there won't be any issues. But say you burn up a valve and have an Akro with a power commander, you might be in for a fight.
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especially if you install it yourself. If you purchase it from a Ducati dealer and they install it and do the tune I think either Ducati or the dealer would be on the hook.
 
There is a law to protect consumers regarding issues like that where changing the headlight does not void the warranty for the engine (a bit of an exaggeration but you get my point). I believe it's called Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act.

However, a lot depends on the integrity of the dealer and the manufacturer. For example, Aprilia's fine print voids the entire warranty if you change the exhaust and they do not have a third party (e.g., Akropovic) that they work with for aftermarket.

There have been many cases, specially, with the RSV4 where folks changed something totally unrelated and the warranty claims were denied. In those cases the owner has to go to court to have it overturned and by the time they play their legal magic it is months and months later and either the bike has been ridden, thus giving them other excuses to void the warranty or it hasn't (which means no enjoyment for the rider). During the warranty period (or at least a part of it) I think it’s best to go with stock configuration or an aftermarket update sanctioned by the manufacturer. Unless, money is not an issue of course.

In my opinion and from all my dealings and research, Ducati is much easier to deal with and has orders of magnitude more integrity than Piaggia/Aprilia.
 
flynbulldog said:
especially if you install it yourself. If you purchase it from a Ducati dealer and they install it and do the tune I think either Ducati or the dealer would be on the hook.
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That's my reason for going with the Termi system. New motor, new technology, I'd rather not give them any reason to baulk at a warranty claim.
 
I hate to say this but there are bound to be some first production problems with this bike.
I mean everything is new! I think sticking with parts from the Ducati catalog is a pretty good idea.
 
flynbulldog said:
I hate to say this but there are bound to be some first production problems with this bike.
I mean everything is new! I think sticking with parts from the Ducati catalog is a pretty good idea.
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Agreed, i rather not take any chances with a very expensive toy like this.
 

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