The return of the Dry Clutch

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With the additional of the dry clutch is the V4R worth the money now?

One thing that I can say is... at least this version of the V4R and the S/Speciale models are actually different. The first edition(s) of the 1199R and S models had more similarities.
 
I had mine on order before the Dry clutch was even confirmed ..This is like an added bonus to me!! I’m even more excited to take delivery of mine in April!! That SOUND on the grid is definitely going too turn some heads. Worth the 40,000?? That’s a very hard question that depends on the way one views things... To me it is definitely worth the price...
 
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I've never really understood all the fuss around the dry clutch...
OK, my 998 had a dry clutch and it sounded nice, but this is not an arguement for me to buy or not buy the bike.
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realnuts said:
I've never really understood all the fuss around the dry clutch...
OK, my 998 had a dry clutch and it sounded nice, but this is not an arguement for me to buy or not buy the bike.
:confused:
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Not a reason why I would buy or not either!! But for me the Dry clutch has it's advantages I'm looking for.. Lots less messy when time to change the plates, more HP, and the glorious sound.. I use my bikes for racing, so for my use I see the advantages of it.. Like I stated above, I ordered my R before the Dry clutch was even confirmed..
 
Yea. This is like deciding to marry a girl because she had nice shoes. If the R comes with a dry, then it's going to be a cheap piece of Ducati OEM crap anyhow which everyone is going to want to change. Nothing to get excited about here kids. It's a fricken clutch. Besides the wet clutch (aftermarket) works damn well and has some advantages especially for the clutch burners that seem to buy way more bike than they know what to do with. Dry clutch, great for racing as the plates are quick to change and you don't get friction material in your oil. For the street, it's another "look at me" gimmick.
 
More horse power? Really? Yep cause the bike with a wet clutch would be a noticeable drop. NO IT WOULDNT. They had dry conversions for the 99 and the WSBK teams seemed to do just fine without it. As far as cost goes, the steels and friction plates are very similarly priced.
 
endodoc said:
Yea. This is like deciding to marry a girl because she had nice shoes. If the R comes with a dry, then it's going to be a cheap piece of Ducati OEM crap anyhow which everyone is going to want to change. Nothing to get excited about here kids. It's a fricken clutch. Besides the wet clutch (aftermarket) works damn well and has some advantages especially for the clutch burners that seem to buy way more bike than they know what to do with. Dry clutch, great for racing as the plates are quick to change and you don't get friction material in your oil. For the street, it's another "look at me" gimmick.
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I have never thought about the shoes my wife wore before I married her, now I am going to scrimmage through her closet tonight!
Ducati OEM crap?
Clutch burners that buy way more bike than they know what to do with.
Did someone kick your cat today?
 
some would say
the dry clutch has a clear HP and function advantage on the racetrack hence motogp bikes have dry clutches.

so-
wonder if the Ducati engineers decided that the wsbk teams couldn't run dry clutches because of production rules that require it be on the homologation bikes from the factory .....

..... so they decided they wanted it on the race bikes but couldn't have it unless it came on the actual homologation production bike and therefore they decided to piss some of you off to make their ideal race bike .....

..... which is a great place to debate the practicality of a dry clutch on the street since the bike is built to be a homologation rule compliant street bike that makes a terrible street bike and a great track bike.
 
Well that would certainly be a step in the right direction. It best for them to use proven aftermarket components. I honestly don't think they will throw STMs top flight dry unit in the delivered units. I think this was a photo opp. Lastly they made it clear that the dry inclusion on the Dealer bike was for compliance spec
 
endodoc said:
Well that would certainly be a step in the right direction. It best for them to use proven aftermarket components. I honestly don't think they will throw STMs top flight dry unit in the delivered units. I think this was a photo opp. Lastly they made it clear that the dry inclusion on the Dealer bike was for compliance spec
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Endo, for V2, what would you recommend for aftermarket Wet clutch? and even Dry clutch if you were to go that route.
 
MAC, agreed. On the track it makes sense to use the dry. No induced drag from the viscosity of oil. Easy to pull the plates. Easy to get a visual on the mechanics of operation. Less chance of lubrication contamination. Quick and easy to try different friction combinations. On the street, I just don't think it matters. Now it does come with the audible and visual "bling" factor if you need that sort of thing. Personally, one more thing rattling on a Ducati isn't helping matters and yes if the race team uses the dry, I think it needs to be on the dealer bike. I modded my CDT lower on the clutch side with some access holes. Im running the EVR clutch and basket on the 99. I can without effort pull the cover, pressure plate, steels and friction plates in 5-7 min so practical ease of maintenance on my wet clutch is not an issue, its quiet, the six spring pressure plate has overwhelming bite. HP wet vs dry, yep on a carefully calibrated dyno, you may see it. For the guy that in 40 lbs overweight talking about the performance benefits of the weight reduction of his milled brake lever, probably not. Just sayin
 
YoungR, I have personally only use the EVR stuff. That being said, I think the other aftermarket clutches are all good and probably all have their own idiosyncrasies. I chose the EVR because I was building from scratch and it came with the billet basket. You can screw around from there with springs and friction material to fine tune. I have tried maybe 4-5 different clutch packs but Im not technical enough from a rider perspective to give a recommendation on those components. The first bike has 16K street/track miles on it an the clutch is flawless. I use the Brembo GP 19x16 MC and an Oberon slave (not sure but I think its a 28)
 
Hey Endo, nice to see you. Noticed you haven't been on the forum for a bit. So you have a V4 now?
 
Hi Mutt

No not yet but i'm working on it. i'm acquiring a Motor, frame and swingarm and then ill build it using all the good stuff.
 
endodoc said:
MAC, agreed. On the track it makes sense to use the dry. No induced drag from the viscosity of oil. Easy to pull the plates. Easy to get a visual on the mechanics of operation. Less chance of lubrication contamination. Quick and easy to try different friction combinations. On the street, I just don't think it matters. Now it does come with the audible and visual "bling" factor if you need that sort of thing. Personally, one more thing rattling on a Ducati isn't helping matters and yes if the race team uses the dry, I think it needs to be on the dealer bike. I modded my CDT lower on the clutch side with some access holes. Im running the EVR clutch and basket on the 99. I can without effort pull the cover, pressure plate, steels and friction plates in 5-7 min so practical ease of maintenance on my wet clutch is not an issue, its quiet, the six spring pressure plate has overwhelming bite. HP wet vs dry, yep on a carefully calibrated dyno, you may see it. For the guy that in 40 lbs overweight talking about the performance benefits of the weight reduction of his milled brake lever, probably not. Just sayin
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Endo I agree completely no advantage on the street and the way I read the WSBK rules the teams can modify the clutch and even switch from one aftermarket to another change the slip modify etc etc but they have to stay wet if homologated wet and dry if homologated dry.
 
Yea that makes sense. Gotta play by the rules. You know me and the crap I build. Im just not much up on gimmicks or visual effects. Just some decent engineering and if its not functional, I kinda just skip it. Pretty boring.
 
endodoc said:
Yea that makes sense. Gotta play by the rules. You know me and the crap I build. Im just not much up on gimmicks or visual effects. Just some decent engineering and if its not functional, I kinda just skip it. Pretty boring.
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kinda reminds me of the winglets - I'm betting the racebike will have a mount to the frame rigidity with some seriously great tuning/function as permitted by the rules and I'm guessing the stock ones flop around like a wet noodle with almost zero function. (except I have a unreasonable love for the dry clutch on the street)

more manufactures are building wsbk homologation bikes and I'm thinking more of this stuff will be appearing in the future
 

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