Would you choose a V4R or SP2 for trackday use?

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spooky said:
As I thought, you just want to argue.

The master cylinder can be adjusted on the SP2 and it cannot be adjusted on the V4R, therefore they are not identical… It couldn’t be simpler.
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In real life it's useless. There is no adjustment for 32mm calipers (gp4rx e.g.) - so MCs are identical for end user
 
spooky said:
It’s actually good value IF you want the items that it comes with - better master cylinder, DDA, Superleggera carbon wheels, dry clutch, remote adjuster, Rizoma rearsets and probably some other bits that I’ve forgotten.
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R has dry clutch

So really differences are :
Rizoma rearsets
CF rims
DDA
remote adjuster

Pretty weak
 
if you truly just ride on the road,
why wouldn't you have a more upright seating position?
why wouldn't you want to be more comfortable?
why wouldn't you want more compliant suspension?
why wouldn't you want better longevity out of the tyres particularly the centre third that will undoubtedly go flat and create an edge so on the very slim occasion you go past that point it is like falling off a cliff.....although will help with the knee down action round and around the roundabout.
and seriously CF wheels on the road?


Horses for courses!
 
andyb said:
if you truly just ride on the road,
why wouldn't you have a more upright seating position?
why wouldn't you want to be more comfortable?
why wouldn't you want more compliant suspension?
why wouldn't you want better longevity out of the tyres particularly the centre third that will undoubtedly go flat and create an edge so on the very slim occasion you go past that point it is like falling off a cliff.....although will help with the knee down action round and around the roundabout.
and seriously CF wheels on the road?


Horses for courses!
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Much of the Panigale bling scene is a joke, these bikes are ridiculously fast in stock trim and set up properly without buying a single "upgrade" are probably well beyond most peoples skillset.
 
Good grief. So much angst over something so unimportant.

The SP2 is an excellent bike. The R is more expensive and comes with less, so it’s really not an ‘weak’ offering. Both have dry clutches but the SP2 dry clutch is larger - maybe lasts a teeny bit longer?

All the V4 Panigale are far more than you can use on the road. So what. 🤷‍♂️ 🤣
 
so what.... because you decide what you want to use a motorbike for.. and then buy the item that best suits that purpose. Would you buy a sledgehammer to crack a walnut?

its a valued reasoning.........

The SP Panigale is a ........ exercise of ducati making money off the back of it being suited to track riding. when in reality for the price you pay for the specification they supply its wrong. Personified only by the "limited edition" reps which really do epitomise this theory.

The R is purely for homologation, because they have to.

just saying..
 
andyb said:
anyway.....is it run in yet? you had the special oil fitted yet....sorry weighed and fitted?;)😁
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Mentioned earlier - 180km in and I’m just about recovering from it. Only another 820km to go… 🫣 It’s about as little fun as you can have…

I won’t be doing the special oil - have you seen the recommendations for oil changes if you use that stuff? :oops:
 
been away riding my bike on track.......... so skip read through the bollocks... ;)

15-50 Motul ester for me works out around £70 inc a filter each time I change it...
 
andyb said:
so what.... because you decide what you want to use a motorbike for.. and then buy the item that best suits that purpose. Would you buy a sledgehammer to crack a walnut?

its a valued reasoning.........

The SP Panigale is a ........ exercise of ducati making money off the back of it being suited to track riding. when in reality for the price you pay for the specification they supply its wrong. Personified only by the "limited edition" reps which really do epitomise this theory.

The R is purely for homologation, because they have to.

just saying..
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The V4S is a fairly decent price for what it offers. That being said, considering what comes on the SP2 you're getting a bargain in my opinion, of course if you can afford it. If anything the R is waste of money. Paying between 12-15k more for a different engine and name over the V4S.
 
gtomachine710 said:
The V4S is a fairly decent price for what it offers. That being said, considering what comes on the SP2 you're getting a bargain in my opinion, of course if you can afford it. If anything the R is waste of money. Paying between 12-15k more for a different engine and name over the V4S.
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I agree. Also keep in mind. The R still includes the mirror block off plates, the dda, and the gps unit. So it isn't like youre getting the same stuff as the V4S. It does come with some of the "SP2" accessories
 
gtomachine710 said:
Question. Is it true the R feels like it's runs hotter compared to the SP2? That's what I've been hearing.
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The exhaust opens 8 degrees earlier? (something like that) on the R. So the exhaust particularly the rear pipes due to all the bends will run hotter. I don't know if anybody mentioned this but R engine life particularly the heads will have a lot shorter service lift. Those R cams do not come without a cost. So if you actually plan to ride this on the street (and not abuse it on the track like it's intended for) the 1103 is simply better. Gruntier, easier to ride, better gas mileage, less heat etc.
 
baggerman said:
The exhaust opens 8 degrees earlier? (something like that) on the R. So the exhaust particularly the rear pipes due to all the bends will run hotter. I don't know if anybody mentioned this but R engine life particularly the heads will have a lot shorter service lift. Those R cams do not come without a cost. So if you actually plan to ride this on the street (and not abuse it on the track like it's intended for) the 1103 is simply better. Gruntier, easier to ride, better gas mileage, less heat etc.
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especially when its fitted into a Multistrada......:cool:
 
smithbuddy760 said:
I agree. Also keep in mind. The R still includes the mirror block off plates, the dda, and the gps unit. So it isn't like youre getting the same stuff as the V4S. It does come with some of the "S
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andyb said:
I don’t think some on here are quite getting it….
Getting excited about mirror blanking plates and a DDA versus a R engine is somewhat naive…. 🤷🏼‍♂️

SP = commercial tat
R= homologation
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It's not like we're comparing a V6 to a V8 here. $12-15k for a different engine and basically nothing else over a V4S doesn't really make much sense. Probably the reason there's a lot more new R's readily available vs the SP2, which there are hardly any of.
 

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