This is what it looks like when you water pump lets go on your new 15R

sexparty · Sep 10, 2015

4 weeks ETA on getting the bike back.

I knew something was up but didn't think it was that bad because the leak stopped on its own. So rode it as normal to the dealership for its first service but I was wrong.

It apparently used a lot of oil during the first 1000kms as well, don't know if it was because of the water pump was gone or not, so every one with your 15Rs keep an eye on that.

DEDuc1299S · Sep 10, 2015

Me too

This happened to my 1299s at 400 Mile mark. DUCATI really needs to do something about the sealant material or design a small ball mill groove on the surface of two mating pieces. This ball mill groove will be filled with the sealant and act like an Oring. Problem solved.... Your welcome Ducati.... Lol

Mine had oil seaming out of the weep hole.

sexparty · Sep 10, 2015

That's not good it's happening to more people.

ruley · Sep 10, 2015

that's no farking good, let's hope 4 weeks is giving you the worst case and they ring in two!!

jogy · Sep 11, 2015

That's interesting guys,

I have had a small coolant leak from the first rides with my 1299S, some drops of coolant came out of the weep hole every ride. Not much, but noticeable.

Two weeks ago, my dealer replaced the water pump on warranty.

First 100 km, no more water coming out that little hole. But unfortunately, during the last two rides, again some drops of coolant did drop out of the weep hole, see images.

For me it sounds nearly impossible that the new water pump also has a coolant leakage on the shaft seal (from where it is supposed by design to flow down to the weep hole). Are there other reasons why coolant is leaking out of that weep hole?

Would be interesting to see if other 1299 owners also have such a minor coolant leak from the weep hole (you can see it best if the small black plastic flap is taken away from the left fearing).

Lightning · Sep 11, 2015

4 weeks for a water pump? That's seriously poor. And the spring sunshine today made it impossible not to want to go for a fang.

1299rider · Sep 11, 2015

Mine has been doing the same thing since new but never enough to puddle on garage floor. I pointed it out to the dealer at the 600 service. Not sure if it was some sort of excuse but they said supposedly some 1199's did the same thing and "Ducati" wasn't sure of an exact fix. I've just been keeping an eye on it as well as the level in coolant reservoir which hasn't seem to move at all from its "max" level.

As far as I can tell that little hole isn't part of a water pump. It's just a hole in the casting of the crankcase half possibly on purpose but who knows. The so called "squirter unit" as they call it is above that and to the left. I'm guessing that's the water pump but no evidence of a shaft in the microfiche so I'm not 100% it is or how it works.

So far in this thread we have 1 that had water pump replaced and seemed to fix issue, 1 replaced and still has issue, and 1 waiting for repair. Please keep this thread updated and results or additional findings.

As soon as the riding season is over I'll try to get in there and do some more investigating. I did notice from the microfiche that above that hole a little ways is the coolant hose that goes into the rear cylinder head and it seemed to have a band style hose clamp instead of a worm gear clamp like the majority on the bike. If that didn't have a good tight seal I could see the coolant making its way out that little hole. Who knows but definitely keep us posted.

RD16RR · Sep 11, 2015

Oil from over filled crank case -- this has been going on now for maybe 500 to 1000 miles - we drained off oil to the low mark, as it was leaving essentially a puddle under the bike - but even at the low mark it dribbles out -- occurs when oil escapes through the crank case breather into the air box, then while on the side stand, it finds the drain....dribbles out of the bottom of the fairing - the shop will look deeper on next visit

sportrider3000 · Sep 11, 2015

Recall?

RD16RR said:
Oil from over filled crank case -- this has been going on now for maybe 500 to 1000 miles - we drained off oil to the low mark, as it was leaving essentially a puddle under the bike - but even at the low mark it dribbles out -- occurs when oil escapes through the crank case breather into the air box, then while on the side stand, it finds the drain....dribbles out of the bottom of the fairing - the shop will look deeper on next visit

Recall for the 2015 1299R?

Stw · Sep 11, 2015

sportrider3000 said:
Recall for the 2015 1299R?

I think they would have to make that model before they could recall it...

RD16RR · Sep 11, 2015

Stw said:
I think they would have to make that model before they could recall it...

No recall...no nothing....no TSB (technical service bulletin) - just draining oil off was thought to be the solution....apparently not....but still in "testing stage"

getdowngetfunky · Sep 11, 2015

I own a '13 1199 base and mine just started doing this. Noticed red sticky building up on bolts on hor cylinder after long rides. Found I overoiled my mwr filter and it built up in the airbox and made a little mess leaking onto the horizontal cylinder. Cleaned it up, lightly oiled the air filter and no more of that problem.

Until the next ride, still small build up of what is definitely coolant (light pink) on bottom of hor casing. Took in to Ducati and they said there is no coolant that could be leaking out of there. Everything is oil behind where the build up is being spotted. They said to not worry about it and "ride the hell out of it." Been 2 weeks now and I check after every ride. mostly no buildup but occasionally a little. Bike sits on a wheel chock so no lean angle to help any "drain" that may occur.

Bike is at 6800 miles so maybe when I crack the case open at 7500 I will find the culprit.

jogy · Sep 11, 2015

1299rider said:
Mine has been doing the same thing since new but never enough to puddle on garage floor. I pointed it out to the dealer at the 600 service. Not sure if it was some sort of excuse but they said supposedly some 1199's did the same thing and "Ducati" wasn't sure of an exact fix. I've just been keeping an eye on it as well as the level in coolant reservoir which hasn't seem to move at all from its "max" level.

As far as I can tell that little hole isn't part of a water pump. It's just a hole in the casting of the crankcase half possibly on purpose but who knows. The so called "squirter unit" as they call it is above that and to the left. I'm guessing that's the water pump but no evidence of a shaft in the microfiche so I'm not 100% it is or how it works.

So far in this thread we have 1 that had water pump replaced and seemed to fix issue, 1 replaced and still has issue, and 1 waiting for repair. Please keep this thread updated and results or additional findings.

As soon as the riding season is over I'll try to get in there and do some more investigating. I did notice from the microfiche that above that hole a little ways is the coolant hose that goes into the rear cylinder head and it seemed to have a band style hose clamp instead of a worm gear clamp like the majority on the bike. If that didn't have a good tight seal I could see the coolant making its way out that little hole. Who knows but definitely keep us posted.

Look into this thread:

http://ducati1299.com/ducati-1199/22299-major-coolant-leak-panigale-r-hole-near-thermostat-2.html

The waterpump has two shaft seals, one to the water side and a second one to the oil side. In the pump housing, the room between the two shaft seals is drained into a bore which ends into a small chamber from where a pipe in the crankcase leads possible leakage through the weep hole out of the engine.

So through the weep hole you can get coolant (if the coolant shaft seal is leaking) or oil (if the oil-side shaft seal is leaking).

1299rider · Sep 11, 2015

jogy said:
Look into this thread:

http://ducati1299.com/ducati-1199/22299-major-coolant-leak-panigale-r-hole-near-thermostat-2.html

The waterpump has two shaft seals, one to the water side and a second one to the oil side. In the pump housing, the room between the two shaft seals is drained into a bore which ends into a small chamber from where a pipe in the crankcase leads possible leakage through the weep hole out of the engine.

So through the weep hole you can get coolant (if the coolant shaft seal is leaking) or oil (if the oil-side shaft seal is leaking).

I think that is the previous design. Check out the following thread. Will have to sign up to see photos.

1199 Superleggera Rr - Project 1201 Koen | Page 5 | Ducati Forum

Look at post 97 talking about plastic water pump gears. Photo 1 will give you an overall idea what the side view looks like. Photo 5 you will see the hole where the coolant is coming from just a little up and to the left of green O-ring. It is right by a water jacket that is cooling the cylinder wall. So there is going to be coolant there regardless of a failed water pump. Why it's there by design is beyond me.

imbloodyskintagain · Sep 11, 2015

Here is mates waterpump gears.
Result was his coolant system crapped itself, all over the bike and rear wheel mid track day, causing him to crash and resulting in injury to him and damage to his 1199.

1299rider · Sep 11, 2015

Now that I have looked at the microfiche for the 1299 some more it looks like they have to split the cases to replace the water pump. And it looks like it bolts in from the oil cooler side opposite side of the engine to that weep hole

jogy · Sep 11, 2015

1299rider said:
I think that is the previous design. Check out the following thread. Will have to sign up to see photos.

1199 Superleggera Rr - Project 1201 Koen | Page 5 | Ducati Forum

Look at post 97 talking about plastic water pump gears. Photo 1 will give you an overall idea what the side view looks like. Photo 5 you will see the hole where the coolant is coming from just a little up and to the left of green O-ring. It is right by a water jacket that is cooling the cylinder wall. So there is going to be coolant there regardless of a failed water pump. Why it's there by design is beyond me.

You are right, that might be also a reason why coolant is coming out of the weep hole. But that would mean there is a leakage between the water jacket and the space behind the weep hole due to missing sealer at this point.

To fix this, the entire engine case has to be dismantled and newly sealed, for sure a bigger repair work...

1299rider · Sep 11, 2015

Hope we have some more consensus on this issue. And your link is valid after looking at the microfiche that's how the 1299 water pump would be. You would need to remove the right side case around the clutch to replace. What a PITA!

slickwill · Sep 11, 2015

I noticed a similar spot under my bike after my last session at the track on Monday. I brought it home and it sat in the garage with n drips. I rode it last night and today there's this spot again. It's coming from some sort of a drain line but it's never done it in the first 2500 miles so now I'm wondering what's up.

jogy · Sep 11, 2015

1299rider said:
Now that I have looked at the microfiche for the 1299 some more it looks like they have to split the cases to replace the water pump. And it looks like it bolts in from the oil cooler side opposite side of the engine to that weep hole

not to split engine case, but to take off the right magnesium cover. I'm quite sure the design of water pump and routing of the channels are the same for all Superquadro-Engines (899, 1199 and 1299).

The water pump "leak channel" is obviously going through the right engine case half to the left engine case half passing the split line in the middle (next to the water jacket) and ending in that little weep hole.

So if no water is leaking from the shaft seal of the water pump, it might leak into the leak channel at the engine split line from the closly located water jacket.

But it is still hard to believe that there can be a leakage due to missing sealer...

This is what it looks like when you water pump lets go on your new 15R

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