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1299rider said:
Please keep us posted. Last night when I put my bike on stands a quarter size drop of oil dripped from belly pan. I have had my oil level always at midway between marks. I might lower it to minimum level. I have small drips of coolant from weep hole and now this potential problem. Starting to get a little frustrated.
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Onto it. Designing a 3D printed catch can with provisions for a clear tube level indicator and a ball valve for draining to go in place of the charcoal canister. Swamped at work, but my next rainy day off I'll get the STL done and ready for print..
 
jogy said:
I'm getting a bit frustrated too. After the second replacement of the water pump of my 1299S last autum (including filler cap of radiator) and about 300 km riding directly afterwords with no more coolant coming out of the weep hole, unfortonately the problem came back after the first ride this year.

After a ride of 135 km, back home and bike on the side stand, coolant leaked out again, not only one small drop, but as much that it went all the way down to the bottom end of the alternator cover and stayed there as a big drop.

During the second ride, a really big drop came out the weep hole during a brake after 120 km, and again after 40 more km back home. I could watch it myself with a flashlight coming out of the weep hole after a minute of engine off.

I have no idea why the problem is back again. I can't belive that all three water pumps do leak such an amount of coolant to be accepted as normal after only 200-300 km.

I got back with the problem to my dealer waiting for an info what to do next. Changing the water pump again is not promising a final solution I guess.
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I also have the coolant leak and like you I have taken a video of it exiting from the weep hole at nearly the minute mark each time. It has been logged with ducati for warranty. At the moment I am monitoring it as it seems to be relatively small. Always in the back of my mind cranked over in a corner the consequences of what if it dumps the mother load. Mine has been leaking from 1500klm.
 
onthegaz said:
I also have the coolant leak and like you I have taken a video of it exiting from the weep hole at nearly the minute mark each time. It has been logged with ducati for warranty. At the moment I am monitoring it as it seems to be relatively small. Always in the back of my mind cranked over in a corner the consequences of what if it dumps the mother load. Mine has been leaking from 1500klm.
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If you could post the video, I'd love to see it.
 
Welcome to our new subgroup, the Panigale weep club, haha. Love to know if this condition remains as normal, for how long, and if there will be a bulletin to treat this presently mildly concerning syndrome.
 
Evidently from what I have seen on this site (and in the Ducati shop here in locally) Ducati is having even more problems overall with their engines for the 1299 and 1199's I have seen two new ones in the shop here in Austin that they are having to rebuild because of bad oil pumps in the last month.
Yesterday Mine got up to 232 Degrees after sitting in traffic for only about 5 minutes on Hwy 35.. (So I'm not sure why it got THAT HOT THAT SOON..! To be fair It was 90 degrees outside and I know these things run rather hot being a big twin and all, but the fan never seemed to come on even at 232 Degrees ?
Thankfully I got underway and it went back down to a cool 219 degrees LOL ( and yes I checked the coolant levels aid it is correct level)
**And I recently has new Silicone Samco hoses installed with a new thermostat etc. when they did the warranty repair on the water pump/squirter unit (Mine started leaking just outside of the dealership.. last month..

Oh well ..on goes the saga...
 
onthegaz said:
I also have the coolant leak and like you I have taken a video of it exiting from the weep hole at nearly the minute mark each time. It has been logged with ducati for warranty. At the moment I am monitoring it as it seems to be relatively small. Always in the back of my mind cranked over in a corner the consequences of what if it dumps the mother load. Mine has been leaking from 1500klm.
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Last week I rode to my dealer and he could see some drops of coolant leaking out the weep hole himself. He mentioned that Ducati did say that a small amount leaking out here should be considered as normal.:(

The dealer said that the shaft seal on the water side has a quite simple design. I guess it's a design problem of the water pump. So changing the water pump again w/o a new pump design might not be a final solution.

What I did not to see the coolant running down the left engine case: I fixed a small piece of tissue below the weep hole which "stores" the coolant and is drying itself there from the engine heat.
 
Fan should turn on at 217F or so. You may not have felt it. You almost have to put hand close to near sidestand to feel the heat being pushed out the bottom just forward of the exhaust cans
 
Went for a ride to observe the weep. Check this out, it appears that mine weeps a little during warm-up or first several miles of the ride. Once thoroughly heated, no more weep. I rode first about 7 miles to inspect and noticed a couple of drops pooled. Then rode another 7 miles to get back to garage. On final inspection no further weep and drops had half dried. Engine temps reached no higher than 117F. My baby is emotional.
 
Fragile said:
Went for a ride to observe the weep. Check this out, it appears that mine weeps a little during warm-up or first several miles of the ride. Once thoroughly heated, no more weep. I rode first about 7 miles to inspect and noticed a couple of drops pooled. Then rode another 7 miles to get back to garage. On final inspection no further weep and drops had half dried. Engine temps reached no higher than 117F. My baby is emotional.
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At my 1299S, the coolant starts to collect to a visible red shine in the weep hole (you need a bright flashlight to see it) after 20-30 miles. Only if a certain amount is reached, it'll weep out while the bike is on side stand. Sometimes it stays in, somtimes it drops out. Strange to me, but it seems not to be a rare symptom on the 1299/R...
 
A $25K Ducati should not have ANY weeping issues from the motor PERIOD!

It is a DEFECT from the factory and should be fixed by Ducati Accepting that as just another small issue to put up with is BS!
That is the problem with the Ducs (and many of their owners) They are so swept up in the magic of owning one that they tend to just overlook or rationalize just about any problem. They tell you that is just part of the bikes "character" I guess they think that if many of their bikes have problems somehow that should just be accepted.
I understand that a two cylinder will vibrate more.. I understood that when you take a 116 mm x 60.8mm motor that it is going to run hotter than a typical 4 cyl. I expected those issues and was willing to put up with them in order to own (my now former( " dream bike".
But all this other crap I have been through with mine has been one big pain in the ass and almost destroyed any enjoyment I was expecting to have riding it.

The problems have ranged from simply annoying to outright dangerous!

It has been in the shop so many times I cannot count.. Every time they fix one thing something else comes up..

Mine has died on me so many times I cannot even count and others tell me "Well that is just the way they are"!!
I don't care if other makes of bikes also have their own issues/ problems.. When I spend that much money for what is supposed to be one of the finest examples of Italian engineering and supposedly a top tier bike and it has as many problems as mine and others have reported then there is a major problem...

I am about to call Ducati and file for a lemon law on mine..

I think Ducati needs to get their stuff together and fix the problems or they are going to get a bad rep soon.
When you literally pay $9000 to $12000 more for a bike than the competetion you have the right to expect it to run right and perform well NUFF SAID!
 
Money in the toilet if we are not careful

Truth be told, the R is reaching beyond $30K here, more like 35 or more out the door. I see MV fans complaining about a smudge in the clearcoat. Here we are talking about potentially debilitating and safety affecting issues. Bike should not be spewing vital fluids. It is the original engineering/workmanship where inconsistency plagues the world class claim of these exotic bikes.


speedy14 said:
A $25K Ducati should not have ANY weeping issues from the motor PERIOD!

It is a DEFECT from the factory and should be fixed by Ducati Accepting that as just another small issue to put up with is BS!
That is the problem with the Ducs (and many of their owners) They are so swept up in the magic of owning one that they tend to just overlook or rationalize just about any problem. They tell you that is just part of the bikes "character" I guess they think that if many of their bikes have problems somehow that should just be accepted.
I understand that a two cylinder will vibrate more.. I understood that when you take a 116 mm x 60.8mm motor that it is going to run hotter than a typical 4 cyl. I expected those issues and was willing to put up with them in order to own (my now former( " dream bike".
But all this other crap I have been through with mine has been one big pain in the ass and almost destroyed any enjoyment I was expecting to have riding it.

The problems have ranged from simply annoying to outright dangerous!

It has been in the shop so many times I cannot count.. Every time they fix one thing something else comes up..

Mine has died on me so many times I cannot even count and others tell me "Well that is just the way they are"!!
I don't care if other makes of bikes also have their own issues/ problems.. When I spend that much money for what is supposed to be one of the finest examples of Italian engineering and supposedly a top tier bike and it has as many problems as mine and others have reported then there is a major problem...

I am about to call Ducati and file for a lemon law on mine..

I think Ducati needs to get their stuff together and fix the problems or they are going to get a bad rep soon.
When you literally pay $9000 to $12000 more for a bike than the competetion you have the right to expect it to run right and perform well NUFF SAID!
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Fragile said:
Truth be told, the R is reaching beyond $30K here, more like 35 or more out the door. I see MV fans complaining about a smudge in the clearcoat. Here we are talking about potentially debilitating and safety affecting issues. Bike should not be spewing vital fluids. It is the original engineering/workmanship where inconsistency plagues the world class claim of these exotic bikes.
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How did your previous pani with 18,000 miles do? That's a lot and your R thus far? How you compare? Like to hear.
 
Written elsewhere here but my 1199S had squirter failure. After that was fixed i paid no attention for weephole action for the duration because I thought squirter is the only weakpoint and also I was then distracted by gear position sensor fails, BBS errors, bucking bronco erratic engine mapping, random shutdowns, and just a general feeling of getting stranded. On second time gear position sensor failed again at 18500 miles on the clock, I gave her up during service and traded for the R. All miles were street commuting mixed traffic and freeways. I don't intend as many miles on the R. F4RR is a bit more reliable in my experience, and smooth, with 7500 miles and zero warranty ride affecting failures, as solid as can be.
 
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Sounds like you had the same issues that I have gone through... Sorry man I know how it feels..:(

I am NOT impressed with the 1299 at all anymore...Beautiful to look at but a total pain to put up with.. I'm selling mine. It runs will with the Rapid Bike (when you get on it) other than the occasional dying in the middle of a parking lot/ intersection etc and the surging and bucking and kicking at anything below 5K rpm.. At least the throttle doesn't stick at 3000 rpm in first gear anymore while coming up to a light ..

The new BMW S1000rr or Kawasaki ZX10R are looking prettier and prettier!

Speedy
 
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R had some coolant water pump leak ? from the weep hole last track day or maybe not from there. One before that there was none and one before that some again.

It has about 1500 miles. Talked to dealer and dealer talked to Ducati and they said it takes little bit to seal internally but if it is dripping to floor then there is problem. After few more if it still leak considerable than bring it in.

I've looked several Pani on track and off track and everyone has dried up coolant near the weep hole.
 
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9000 miles as of yesterday. Bone dry. Weep hole area looks brand new.Flogged regularly. I think someone here said that a pressure scenario will cause the hole to dribble. We usually associate the hole with a pump bearing about to go bad but that may not be fully accurate here. Don't know. I should have logged more data on the changes to the cooling system. MAC core, no thermostat (mac y pipe) different bearing in the water pump and obviously, the motor was re assembled. Not sure if there is a sealant component in the equation. The 2nd 1299 motor that I just started tearing down has 2137 on the clock. It has leaked from the hole but it was also wrecked so I may have to factor that. Interested to know how the "race bikes" or any bikes that have had the motor gone through look.
 
youngR said:
R had some coolant leak from the weep hole last track day. One before that there was none and one before that some again.

It has about 1500 miles. Talked to dealer and dealer talked to Ducati and they said it takes little bit to seal internally but if it is dripping to floor then there is problem. After few more if it still leak considerable than bring it in.

I've looked several Pani on track and off track and everyone has dried up coolant near the weep hole.
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...i've had 2 Thermostat housings replaced....same issue both times....the seam on the lower part of the housing cracks....thankfully it wasn't the water pump :rolleyes:
 
endodoc said:
9000 miles as of yesterday. Bone dry. Weep hole area looks brand new.Flogged regularly. I think someone here said that a pressure scenario will cause the hole to dribble. We usually associate the hole with a pump bearing about to go bad but that may not be fully accurate here. Don't know. I should have logged more data on the changes to the cooling system. MAC core, no thermostat (mac y pipe) different bearing in the water pump and obviously, the motor was re assembled. Not sure if there is a sealant component in the equation. The 2nd 1299 motor that I just started tearing down has 2137 on the clock. It has leaked from the hole but it was also wrecked so I may have to factor that. Interested to know how the "race bikes" or any bikes that have had the motor gone through look.
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Now for the pic

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youngR said:
Now for the pic

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..that looks like a cracked housing to me - there should be no fluid there at all...from your pic it does not appear that it came from the weep hole, even if i can see a slight trail of pebble debris...i guess you can see it closer, but it appears to me you have a cracked housing on your hands there :rolleyes:
 

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