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I dont think the truck did anything wrong. The bikers were on the side of the road and he was just trying to get past them and being the motorcyclist and seeing the bikes there then I would exspect a car to be some what coming into my lane since the bikes are taking up most of his..
 
I'd say the cyclist were talking about probably own a vehicle or two. So one way or another they do pay for cost of roads as for financial responsibility I'm sure there are plenty of lawyers to handle that issue. They could get alot more money than it would take to fix vehicle. By the way a cyclist was riding in bike lane on bridge and a guy in a van ran into him and he fell off the bridge and died. They gave the driver a ticket. That seem fair to you stw?

Well not really... I have a car..but I also have to insure my bike and have it inspected etc... Each vehicle is a stand alone item... We are talking about the responsibility of the cyclists here..please don't throw in spurious add on stories... I am not defending anyone who injures anyone else..but to use your analogy.. what happens if a cyclist runs into a car/van or motorcycle?? Where's the financial responsibility there?? At the risk of repeating myself I say if you guys want to traverse the roads (and more power to you) then at least pay for the privilege as every one else has too... Pay up... Carry documents proving the road worthiness of your vehicle.. and have insurance and some form of vehicle I.D. so if you are seen doing anything illegal you can be found...
I have to do this with my car and bike..so why not cyclists???
 
Totally truck's fault unless cycle was substantially speeding. Whenever I pass on a curve or a hill, I (and everyone I assume) calculate as best I can, that if a car immediately appears after I start, that I have enough distance to get around the vehicle I am passing. Period.
 
Well not really... I have a car..but I also have to insure my bike and have it inspected etc... Each vehicle is a stand alone item... We are talking about the responsibility of the cyclists here..please don't throw in spurious add on stories... I am not defending anyone who injures anyone else..but to use your analogy.. what happens if a cyclist runs into a car/van or motorcycle?? Where's the financial responsibility there?? At the risk of repeating myself I say if you guys want to traverse the roads (and more power to you) then at least pay for the privilege as every one else has too... Pay up... Carry documents proving the road worthiness of your vehicle.. and have insurance and some form of vehicle I.D. so if you are seen doing anything illegal you can be found...
I have to do this with my car and bike..so why not cyclists???

NJ tried, and so is NY. I am sure they are required someplaces, and used to be in the US.

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Ok stw you start petition and Ill sign it. Then we can work on the people that walk and run on the road. They can barely do 3-10 mph. Their even worse than the cyclist. I just want to run them off the road. Don't you agree, their shoes should be inspected and insured.
 
Ok stw you start petition and Ill sign it. Then we can work on the people that walk and run on the road. They can barely do 3-10 mph. Their even worse than the cyclist. I just want to run them off the road. Don't you agree, their shoes should be inspected and insured.

Thanks for the sarcasm... I give up on trying to have a debate with you ....
 
I get your point, and my post shows you are not alone. :)

Yea I agree, everyting has been said that needed to be said, any continuance at this point is just futile. Its time we all agree to disagree and agree that Glogan wins the following Award.

From this forum to you GLOGAN, YOU WIN! CONGRATS!! We Would all like to present you with your award.....

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Ok, just reading through this post. Just had to chime in as this is an extreme hot spot for me as I HATE cyclists. They generally ignore the laws they are supposed to abide by, are inconsiderate and ignore the consequences of their behavior and are shockingly not required to "share" in the insurance and tax burden, only benefit from the infrastructure. I simply cannot believe the they cannot pass laws that there are at least SOME roads where it should be illegal to ride a bike as it creates a particular danger, as seen in this video. F*cking absurd, and cyclists don't give a crap about danger and will rest on the fact they have the "right" to do it. Arrogant spandex .........s patting themselves on the back for being so good and green have nearly gotten me killed on several occasions. So first off, bike is to blame, because f*ck him. But two, that is the world and laws we live in, unfortunately. So no, the truck should not veer into a blind oncoming lane, he should bite the bullet and slow behind the bike until he can be sure the lane is clear to veer over. If this would have cause an accident, the truck would be liable. (Another shocking injustice as the cyclist would likely not get any ticket or blame, and if he did he wouldn’t have insurance.) There, did I help beat this dead horse? :)
 
Thanks southeast gay from you that means so very little. Remember everyone don't let your kids start riding bikes because one day southeast gay might just run them off the road.
 
Thanks southeast gay from you that means so very little. Remember everyone don't let your kids start riding bikes because one day southeast gay might just run them off the road.

Your sooo Original Gaygan... yea sounds dumb just like you. Your stupidity is growing worse and now your just making yourself look silly....

You literally exhaust me, it likes arguing with a 9 year old who was a product of a crack head mom.

Didn't see you say .... to Denver did you? Because then even more people would expose you for the ....... ....... that you are. He basically called you a ....... pansy for riding your gay little bicycle around town in your neons as well....
 
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Thanks southeast gay from you that means so very little. Remember everyone don't let your kids start riding bikes because one day southeast gay might just run them off the road.

How old are you?
 
I don't know about anybody else...but I think I preferred the free movies to Glogans posts...:D
 
Well not really... I have a car..but I also have to insure my bike and have it inspected etc... Each vehicle is a stand alone item... We are talking about the responsibility of the cyclists here..please don't throw in spurious add on stories... I am not defending anyone who injures anyone else..but to use your analogy.. what happens if a cyclist runs into a car/van or motorcycle?? Where's the financial responsibility there?? At the risk of repeating myself I say if you guys want to traverse the roads (and more power to you) then at least pay for the privilege as every one else has too... Pay up... Carry documents proving the road worthiness of your vehicle.. and have insurance and some form of vehicle I.D. so if you are seen doing anything illegal you can be found...
I have to do this with my car and bike..so why not cyclists???

OK, brought back from self-imposed thread exile once more for this one. Not an unreasonable question actually, but what you find the law has evolved over the years nationwide to reflect, is that vehicles tend to get taxed and regulated based on the load they place on the infrastructure. Not meaning weight, though that is certainly related, but more the cost to society. Motor vehicle insurance costs what it does because of the cost of accidents, and you can obviously do a lot more damage with a few tons of steel than you can with a bicycle. Same with licensing requirements, etc. Large commercial vehicles, for instance, have a much higher licensing, insurance and taxation burden than passenger cars for the above reasons. A 20lb bicycle places a nearly non-existent burden on the system; therefore bikes are taxed and regulated accordingly. That's pretty much what it boils down to.

Lots of hate for the pedaling crowd out there, which is too bad. Two wheelers should stick together against Evil Cagers. Oh wait; they're us too. C'est la vie. Nothing new there, and useful in any case to know some folks' mindsets, I suppose. As the old saying goes, "better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt".

With that I'll remind all to revisit post #1 and note the OP (who was there) knew exactly where the problem was in that situation. We'd do well to keep that in mind and all the other effluent in this thread in perspective.

How 'bout that heat? ;)
 
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Well Denver Rick didnt give me an award ........ I'm soo exhausted from everybody's post. Keep on hating I know I will. Stw you could be watching free movies but your probably waiting on this post so go watch them. I will end this now for there is no helping any of us. Post all you want.
 
I dont think the truck did anything wrong. The bikers were on the side of the road and he was just trying to get past them and being the motorcyclist and seeing the bikes there then I would exspect a car to be some what coming into my lane since the bikes are taking up most of his..

^^ something along those lines.....and the situation far from unusual in and around the southern california mountain/canyon roads. if you're a so cal motorcyclist, none of this should be new to you.

my thoughts on the video? i'm glad the rider wasn't hurt, nor the bicyclist or truck driver. the turn is hardly a "blind" one as has been referred to in this thread with the truck becoming visible at around the 10sec-11sec mark allowing more than ample time to slow/make adjustments (obviously from the rider's camera's point of view). conversely speaking, the truck's driver could have/should have used more caution or decided to wait for a more appropriate time to pass. does the fish-eye nature of the video camera's view make the situation appear more/less dangerous? i'm not sure. beyond that, i don't understand why this thread was allowed to be turned into what it has, but i see an obvious correlation with the other threads that have gone awry. that in itself is more sad than the rest.
 
we need a forum cop ROFL! jesus everyone wants to be a cop! no wonder it's all going sideways -- PEOPLE ACTUALLY WANT A NANNY STATE!
 
OK, brought back from self-imposed thread exile once more for this one. Not an unreasonable question actually, but what you find the law has evolved over the years nationwide to reflect, is that vehicles tend to get taxed and regulated based on the load they place on the infrastructure. Not meaning weight, though that is certainly related, but more the cost to society. Motor vehicle insurance costs what it does because of the cost of accidents, and you can obviously do a lot more damage with a few tons of steel than you can with a bicycle. Same with licensing requirements, etc. Large commercial vehicles, for instance, have a much higher licensing, insurance and taxation burden than passenger cars for the above reasons. A 20lb bicycle places a nearly non-existent burden on the system; therefore bikes are taxed and regulated accordingly. That's pretty much what it boils down to.

Lots of hate for the pedaling crowd out there, which is too bad. Two wheelers should stick together against Evil Cagers. Oh wait; they're us too. C'est la vie. Nothing new there, and useful in any case to know some folks' mindsets, I suppose. As the old saying goes, "better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt".

With that I'll remind all to revisit post #1 and note the OP (who was there) knew exactly where the problem was in that situation. We'd do well to keep that in mind and all the other effluent in this thread in perspective.

How 'bout that heat? ;)

I can support some of a live and let live. But your statment is not necessarily true. In Colorado, I am taxed on the car's value, not weight. (not just sales tax, but our registration as well). This has no relationship to my footprint, if you will. And why a car can do much more damage, that ignores the fact that bikes can cause accidents (not to mention simply slowing traffic all over the place, which has a cost). Just as much damage can result from causing an accident, than from your own personal impact. Bikes are not taxed or regulated at all. So I think it is fair to have some form of registration, and certainly the same mandatory liability insurance if you are going to be on the road in a position to cause damage and personal injury. And there are some roads that it should be allowed to ban cyclists as it just can't happen safely. (Mountain town tried to do that here, and the state made them stop, total crap). Not to mention there is no training, licensing, anything and many cyclists don't even know how to do it safely or that they are supposed to follow all the laws as well. So I do wish cyclists would truly "share" the road and all the burdens that come with it. (and not veer into me on mountain roads almost getting me killed, that would be great too)
 
I find that most cyclist more than pay their fair share. While not paying fuel tax they pay many other taxes. In many cases they transport their bikes to favorite riding locations in cars which have all the same responsibilities as the rest.

As a group road cyclist have higher income and pay more taxes than many other groups. They tend to be well insured and their riding is often covered by their other insurance. Most have umbrella coverage in the 2 to 5 million range.

As with most things now a days it seems that everyone is only concerned about themselves and F everyone else. We all share the road and when I take my MC out I do not ride slow, however I do not own the road so I ride accordingly. We all get stuck in traffic behind some yahoo, however they have the same rights so maybe we should learn to be a little more tolerant.
 
I find that most cyclist more than pay their fair share. While not paying fuel tax they pay many other taxes. In many cases they transport their bikes to favorite riding locations in cars which have all the same responsibilities as the rest.

As a group road cyclist have higher income and pay more taxes than many other groups. They tend to be well insured and their riding is often covered by their other insurance. Most have umbrella coverage in the 2 to 5 million range.

As with most things now a days it seems that everyone is only concerned about themselves and F everyone else. We all share the road and when I take my MC out I do not ride slow, however I do not own the road so I ride accordingly. We all get stuck in traffic behind some yahoo, however they have the same rights so maybe we should learn to be a little more tolerant.

Wow... Can we say sweeping generalisations there????
 

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