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gilesr6 said:
I jumped in on the group buy, however I want to be able to change the "hp" rating of the rain mode engine setting(which I am guessing is the percentage of avail throttle opening). I would like to have it set at "140ish hp" instead of the 120. Is this something that can be accomplished with the TB software?
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There is a secret "double handshake" method that only a few people know. Try putting the bike in sport mode, adjust the traction control and ABS (if you have it) to your desired setting. Then just twist the throttle part way open instead of all the way open. I tried it once and it works. You can get any horsepower you want up to the 195 max ;)
 
please note that due to a handful of engines blowing up after they we're 'remapped', Ducati now takes a stand that any tinkering with the enginemanagement annuls the warranty. and they can track anything that happenend in that field..
 
kope999R said:
please note that due to a handful of engines blowing up after they we're 'remapped', Ducati now takes a stand that any tinkering with the enginemanagement annuls the warranty. and they can track anything that happenend in that field..
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I think its only fair that you be a little more specific with this statement.

Yes, any part that gets modified from stock, the manufacturer has a right to void the warranty if the failure is due to the modification.
eg. remapping the ecu will not void warranty on a leaky brake master cylinder.

If you remap the ecu and the engine blows up because you changed redline from 11500 to 12000, then it is unlikely Ducati will honor a warranty claim of this type.
However, if you remap the ecu and injectors fail and you can prove that the ecu remap did not drive the injectors beyond their factory specification, then you could have a valid claim.
The key point being, you need to know enough about the failure and root cause to challenge Ducati if they try to refuse the warranty claim, as it is highly likely they will take a very dim view of any modification.
 
kope999R said:
please note that due to a handful of engines blowing up after they we're 'remapped', Ducati now takes a stand that any tinkering with the enginemanagement annuls the warranty. and they can track anything that happenend in that field..
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This is exactly what I was told by my dealer
 
littlejohn said:
I think its only fair that you be a little more specific with this statement.

Yes, any part that gets modified from stock, the manufacturer has a right to void the warranty if the failure is due to the modification.
eg. remapping the ecu will not void warranty on a leaky brake master cylinder.

If you remap the ecu and the engine blows up because you changed redline from 11500 to 12000, then it is unlikely Ducati will honor a warranty claim of this type.
However, if you remap the ecu and injectors fail and you can prove that the ecu remap did not drive the injectors beyond their factory specification, then you could have a valid claim.
The key point being, you need to know enough about the failure and root cause to challenge Ducati if they try to refuse the warranty claim, as it is highly likely they will take a very dim view of any modification.
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I'm am familiar with the Magnesson-Moss act, but a lot of folks think it is their protector. The reality is that the manufacturer does not have to prove anything if they know you modified the bike. An owner can take them to court and sue them, but at that point it's really the owner who has the hard work in front of them - especially in something like your example about the injectors.

If the ECU is changed, a manufacturer can pretty much claim that anything that is controlled by the ECU is subject to parameters being changed from what they programmed from the factory. A manufacture does not and should not have to prove that someone else's ECU did not screw up the factory settings.
 
jjsC6 said:
I'm am familiar with the Magnesson-Moss act, but a lot of folks think it is their protector. The reality is that the manufacturer does not have to prove anything if they know you modified the bike. An owner can take them to court and sue them, but at that point it's really the owner who has the hard work in front of them - especially in something like your example about the injectors.

If the ECU is changed, a manufacturer can pretty much claim that anything that is controlled by the ECU is subject to parameters being changed from what they programmed from the factory. A manufacture does not and should not have to prove that someone else's ECU did not screw up the factory settings.
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True.. and if you re-read my post.. I did state that the onus is on the owner to prove that the failure was not due to the modification. (Mind you.... I'm pretty sure the law states the onus is on the manufacture to prove the root cause before they deny a claim)
My example with the injectors was merely to point out shades of grey... and yes.. that would be an up hill battle, but not impossible if you had the means to pursue the issue in court.

The reality is, if people are willing to start playing with their toys, then they have to be realistic about warranties.
However, this doesn't mean they have to bend over to some of the BS that dealerships feed them and depending on the cost of the claim, it is important to know your rights.
 
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Soooooo...rexxer tunes are off-limits now?

As ex-diesel truck owner, I been down this alley before. These kind of threats aren't new to me, I am just going to be careful of what I stick on my bike. This corporate horseshit is not going to prevent me from modifying to suit my likings.
 
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at current BHP of engines, manufacturors know they are close to what can be done.
any tinkering pushes the engines over the 'durable' limit.. especially those devout of racing internals..

Is this kaput enough for everyone?
parts went through the gear box.. happened at 250 kph .... not good...

cost of a base engine : 11K euro
cost of an R engine : 15K euro

Castor, i have a spanking new Rapidbike Race for sale at a discount... :)
 

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I have a chip in my BMW X5 that under certain conditions causes a fault. Those faults can be seen my BMW service, and could void the warranty. But the chip manufacturer also provides, as an option, a device that among other things, clears those codes. When I take it in for service, I removed the chip harness and clear the codes - no issues so far after a couple years of this.

We need tuneboy to verify whether or not they believe they can be detected (after reseting to factory), at least to make those of us "tuning" to feel better. This could invalidate any "tuned" after market exhaust as well I suppose.
 
no no, thank god... it's a tweaked base engine running SSTK timing and Rapidbike race module and mapped to 193 DIN bhp on the wheel.. then came the warranty issue.. which is interesting as track use needs a different maintenance schedule from street use.. but Ducati does not allow you to buy the bike cheaper without warrenty as Beemer does.. nor do they stipulate that track use voids the warranty... so now they are prepping conditions of maintenance - and abstenance - to keep the warranty intact... which sounds logical... it is not known whether this would be R only or all Pani's..
 
kope999R said:
no no, thank god... it's a tweaked base engine running SSTK timing and Rapidbike race module and mapped to 193 DIN bhp on the wheel.. then came the warranty issue.. which is interesting as track use needs a different maintenance schedule from street use.. but Ducati does not allow you to buy the bike cheaper without warrenty as Beemer does.. nor do they stipulate that track use voids the warranty... so now they are prepping conditions of maintenance - and abstenance - to keep the warranty intact... which sounds logical... it is not known whether this would be R only or all Pani's..
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Could you please clarify this for me?

What exact part broke?
What was the cause of breakage?
 
Copiya said:
Could you please clarify this for me?

What exact part broke?
What was the cause of breakage?
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The broken part in the pic is the connecting rod (connects the piston to the crankshaft. It really depends on the specific cause of failure, the rod could break due to high RPMs but if it was preignition or some other cause of piston/cylinder damage then the rod could simply be ancillary damage. i don't even know why I am typing this, especially if kope knows for sure what happened, lol.
 
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The broken part in the pic is the connecting rod (connects the piston to the crankshaft. It really depends on the specific cause of failure, the rod could break due to high RPMs but if it was preignition or some other cause of piston/cylinder damage then the rod could simply be ancillary damage. i don't even know why I am typing this, especially if kope knows for sure what happened, lol.
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:) tx for the input... :) it is the conrod that broke and blew the engine to bits.. stock conrods are not meant for intense track riding as the R proves with its titanium bits... if you look at dyno's from a stock engine, the power peaks 500 revs before the limiter and actually comes down 5 bhp before being cut. Rexxers or Rapidbikes allow first of all the power to be increased significantly but secondly to be kept flat ( read = at the same toplevel ) in the last 5 to 700 revs.. this increases the stress on the parts significantly.. and it invites the rider not to shift in some occasions as there is less powerloss.. this again makes the average revs/mile ridden even higher.. all shortening the lifespan and eating into it's endurance... and some engines blow as a result...
 
I will try to get a map fro MY bike, either with the stock or the open cans...

dynoed.
 
Mine is close as I just got a card to pay import duties........looking forward to next week. Will hold off on install until warranty work for melted fairing and heat-shields is done on Friday!
 

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