Tune Boy Maps

lardawge said:

Did you have to purchase any additional equipment for the cruise to work (there is an additional part listed on there web site).

Did this get rid of all the surging below 5000rpm?

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No idea actually whether anything extra was fitted - it was a complementary addition by Wayne when he popped over Wayne is there any extra kit on the bike I've not seen?

With regards to the surge issue I haven't tested it enough in this regard - only done one run and there was a lot of traffic and it was wet.

WAfatboy said:

No idea actually whether anything extra was fitted - it was a complementary addition by Wayne when he popped over Wayne is there any extra kit on the bike I've not seen?

With regards to the surge issue I haven't tested it enough in this regard - only done one run and there was a lot of traffic and it was wet.

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I wonder, if I buy this, and install the map he did for the Termis, do I actually need the Termis? Can't I just run that map? Would be a lot cheaper that way.

Trauma said:

I wonder, if I buy this, and install the map he did for the Termis, do I actually need the Termis? Can't I just run that map? Would be a lot cheaper that way.

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Why wouldn't you run a map for the stock bike? Would run better. Did I miss a joke here?

Well, I'm sold. Get a Termi Slip map, post the chart, and I'll be like a fat kid in a candy store.

Helo AP said:

Well, I'm sold. Get a Termi Slip map, post the chart, and I'll be like a fat kid in a candy store.

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+1

WAfatboy said:

Why wouldn't you run a map for the stock bike? Would run better. Did I miss a joke here?

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I was saying just load a Termi map, that way you get all the performance of the Termi, without having to actually buy the Termi.

Trauma said:

I was saying just load a Termi map, that way you get all the performance of the Termi, without having to actually buy the Termi.

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wasn't it that there was more power with the termis but without the map?

so just the termi map would make it worse , me thinks...


edit: oooh you mean the TB termi map...

why not make a stock cans TB map?

Phil said:

wasn't it that there was more power with the termis but without the map?

so just the termi map would make it worse , me thinks...


edit: oooh you mean the TB termi map...

why not make a stock cans TB map?

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He has one - but the TB for the Termi makes all kinds of HP, I'll put that on the get the same HP.

So, what are the differences between TB and Rexxer? Rexxer can do a lot of things. I am not interested in cruise control and stuff like that. We eliminated the secondary air injection system and Rexxer can accommodate that step.

But, the thing I like with Rexxer is the ability to have changes made by Redline in a matter of minutes via email while we are tuning on the dyno.

I am open to looking at TB, but want to know what makes it better than Rexxer. I am genuinely interested.

No added hardware for the Cruise Control.
Just changes to the code inside the ECU.
I have been testing the iPhone app. This will be able to do data logging and much more (Will start with a basic set then add to this).
iPhone app will be a free download.
I will make the iPhone app so it can store different trim files, you will be able to switch between trim files from the phone (All via WiFi).
I have the iPhone app so you can double tap the screen and the throttle gives a blip, should be a laugh at the local cafe.
Logging will be the big thing, it can log brake pressure front and rear, throttle position, RPM, Speed, Gear... GPS location, lean angle... etc.

I am also waiting for the parts I need to test the down shift blipper.
This will allow clutchless down shifts (ECU will blip the throttle for the down shift), this requires a different shift part on the shaft. More details once testing is complete.
All of these updates will be at no cost.
The electronics on this bike provide so many options.

I updated the map on my friends Panigale yesterday, this was to remove the hole in the power in the mid throttle area. I will be doing some more testing on his bike tomorrow to refine this.

Installing the tunes into the ECU is very easy.
Reverting to standard for servicing is also easy.

Thermo fan will come on earlier to keep the bike cooler. (And the rider).
I let the fan come on at 103 the first time then drop the turn on temp to 91, this makes sure moisture does not build up in the oil.

The standard Ducati maps run the bike very lean at low throttle and RPM, at this point a small difference in injector flow, fuel pressure or a number of other things can be enough to make the bike go to a lean missfire condition.
Our maps make the bike run around the 13.5/1 AF in the low throttle ares, this means the map will still work on a bike that is leaner or richer because of hardware differences.

We also turn off the SAI so you don't need to block this when running on the dyno.
The heater circuits for the O2 sensors can be used to power any add-on for the bike (Radar detectors etc), these can be set to go on when the bike starts.

I should be tuning the bike with the Termi slip-on system next week.
When I do I will show the dyno graphs at 20,30,40,50,70 and 100% throttle.
I think this will give a better picture of the gains.

The software for tuning can control the throttle to make sure the before and after throttle points are exactly the same.

This is not just mapping the bike, this is a feature upgrade for the ECU.

I hope this answers most of the questions.

The hardware provided can be used to diagnose problems on your car.

So here's a question for you...

When is this all looking to be in place for purchase by general public? And what are the odds of a group buy for the forum happening?

It is for sale on there website which I posted earlier in the thread.

I am in. I have a tuner in Orange County that is willing to take this on. He has done an amazing job on a couple other bikes with power commanders.

Is there a possibility this will work on a 2007 Aprilia Tuono? Does it only depend on the brand of ecu?

Thanks for all the info... Now answer my email I sent through the web site

My bad... When I looked I didn't find it. I have since found it and see that I was looking at the maps which have nothing listed. Threw me off.

lardawge said:

It is for sale on there website which I posted earlier in the thread.

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How Tuneboy works:
-you purchase a cable that is customized to your bike and your bike only.
-form the tuneboy website, you can download 2 programs
1)TuneEdit, allows you to modify and download various tunes to your ECU (Air/fuel ratios, ignition parameters)
2) Tuneboy, allows you to see mutiple parameters real time
-download predefined tunes form the Tuneboy website, ,modify etc ,
-plug the cable form your PC to your bike connection and download tune to the bike .

I didnt have a tuner working with this software so I had to create multiple tunes in my laptop, then take the bike + laptop to the dyno and test all tunes one after another etc.

my advice: use the maps as they are, dont attempt to modify them unless a tuneboy experienced tuner is doing it

That was the Triumph TuneBoy product.
The TuneBoy for the Mitsubishi ECU on the Ducati is very different.
The two programs are the flash program and the trim program.
The flash program is very simple, you select a base program and you can select a trim file to be included, then you press one button and it does the reflash of the ECU.
The other program is the trim program, this allows you to adjust the fuel and ignition.
Any tuner who can tune a PowerCommander should be able to do this.
All of the trims are done in real time (while the bike is running).
If a wide band O2 controller is connected to the O2 sensor plug the software will calculate the changes by itself.
Once you are happy with the trim file you repeat the flash process using the trim file you or your tuner have created.
The Triumph product was difficult to use, we have tried to address this with this software for the Ducati.

wmcdonal said:

That was the Triumph TuneBoy product.
The TuneBoy for the Mitsubishi ECU on the Ducati is very different.
The two programs are the flash program and the trim program.
The flash program is very simple, you select a base program and you can select a trim file to be included, then you press one button and it does the reflash of the ECU.
The other program is the trim program, this allows you to adjust the fuel and ignition.
Any tuner who can tune a PowerCommander should be able to do this.
All of the trims are done in real time (while the bike is running).
If a wide band O2 controller is connected to the O2 sensor plug the software will calculate the changes by itself.
Once you are happy with the trim file you repeat the flash process using the trim file you or your tuner have created.
The Triumph product was difficult to use, we have tried to address this with this software for the Ducati.

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right, it was the triumph one, went through hell with it...

I'm interested in this set up for my Pani and MTS. But, aside from just finding a tuner that's interested in taking this on, are there any tuners in the US that are familiar/qualified/experienced with this set up? Let's say near Tacoma, WA??

Tuneboy has been out there for years. Back when I was using it in my triumph (2007) the website cited a few tuners using it in the US. That list should have grown significantly, it would be great if Wayne could give us a list of tuners in the US, in my case in socal

Being up in Canada... Likely no tuners near me, so if I get a Power Commander AutoTune, how well does it interface and run without the use of a Dyno?

I know nothing beats a dyno tune, but for those that cannot get that going... I like the sounds of the autotune.

Trauma said:

I was saying just load a Termi map, that way you get all the performance of the Termi, without having to actually buy the Termi.

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Sounds like a plan, but you would have to go to Tuneboy or Rexxer to get that map
Then you still miss out on the wonderful aural experience as it's a noticable difference.
Not just in volume, but the real benefit is in tone/depth. Not to mention the weight reduction which is not insignificant.
The price of admission is worth it IMO