Tuneboy map feature for 1299 and Panigale R

This is a little info about the new features in the V5 TuneBoy maps.
The 1299 and Panigale R files are at this link Files for 1299 and Pani R

One feature is the throttle map switching, this adds two extra power modes.
The standard 1299 maps have restricted throttle opening in the first few gears.
The TuneBoy map adds two unrestricted throttle tables.
The first of these alternate throttle tables has full throttle available in all gears.
The second alternate provides a more aggressive power delivery, this throttle map stops the torque from falling off as RPM increases.

To switch throttle maps you do the following.
Turn ignition on but don't start motor.
Turn throttle fully open and press the menu up button.

The RPM display will show 5000 for the standard Ducati throttle mapping, 6000 for the first alternate mapping and 7000 for the second alternate mapping.

The alternate throttle mappings are only used in the high power mode, the low power and wet modes are unchanged.

The ECU remembers the throttle mapping you have selected and will use this until you change to a different mapping.

The next feature is a new tuning process that allows you to tune the low throttle area using the bikes standard narrow-band O2 sensors.

The narrow-band sensors are only accurate at 14.7/1 A/F ratio; this is no use if you want to tune the motor to run at 13.2/1 but we now have a way around this.

The process is to use the narrow-band sensors to correct the low throttle area to run at 14.7/1. Once this area has been corrected to 14.7/1 we can use a % adjustment to bring the mixture down to 13.2/1.

These are the steps required:

Start the latest TuneBoyTrim program and set the AF target TP screen so it has an area showing 14.70 (See image below). No adjustments will be made unless the target is exactly 14.70.



Press the 'T' key to show the target screen and select "NarrowBand0-1.2v" as the O2 sensor type.

Start the motor and let it warm up.
Now press the 'a' key on the keyboard; this will turn on the auto-tune mode and you will see a dot next to "Auto tune enabled" in the target window. If you don't see the dot press the 'a' again as sometimes it does not turn on first time.

Once the auto-tune has been turned on the program will start to adjust the "Fuel TP Trim" (F) and (R) tables to try and reach 14.7/1

Once the A/F crosses 14.7/1 four times the TuneBoyTrim program will mark the point in the table as being correct. The colour of the A/F value will change to yellow.

If you put the laptop in your backpack and ride the bike you should be able to get most of the low throttle area to have yellow squares. It is a good idea to mark the throttle points on the throttle grip with correction fluid (Liquid Paper) and a pen. Using this method you know how far to turn the throttle so you collect good data.

To increase the hit rate for the A/F values you can adjust the size of the green square and decrease the sample count. The size of the green square is adjusted by going to the "Tools" and "Process log file". On this screen you can change the "RPM and throttle zone %" to a larger number, something like 40 or 45. This will collect more data.

You can also reduce the "Stable throttle for number of samples" to make it collect data sooner.

Once you change these values just click "Cancel" on the progress log screen. The values will still be changed in the target screen.

A good process would be to increase the target zone to 45 to "rough tune"; this should get the values close.

After this you should save the trim file and stop and start the TuneBoyTrim again. This time, leave the target zone set to 20. When you stop and start the program the yellow squares are reset but it should not take long for them to turn yellow again as the trim should be correct for 14.7/1

Once you are happy with the number of cells that are turning yellow you can move to the next stage.

Save the trim file with a new name so you keep a copy of the trims required to get 14.7/1.

In the new trim file you can change the AF Target TP values back so they range from around 13.2 at the bottom and get richer as the throttle increases.

Now you can select the cells in the "A/F TP" (F) and (R) tables and press the 'c' key. This will calculate the trim required to move the A/F from the 14.7 value to the new value in the target screen.

If you need to retune the low throttle area you should use the trim file you saved before doing this final correction.

Keep in mind that any cells that did not turn yellow could become too rich if you include them when you do the final correction. This is why it is better to take your time and get as many cells to turn yellow as you can.

I hope to have an iPhone app that can do the adjustment while riding. This will make it easy to see throttle position and should speed up the process.

Stay tuned!

You're braver than me - tuning without a wideband seems risky

he knows quite a bit more than you do. this is a very clever workaround.

wmcdonal said:

The standard 1299 maps have restricted throttle opening in the first few gears.

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Wayne, can you please elaborate on this? What is the maximum throttle opening for the Ducati Engine High tune in 1st, 2nd, 3rd gear, etc? Can you roughly advise how this translates to % Hp reduction?

wmcdonal said:

The second alternate provides a more aggressive power delivery, this throttle map stops the torque from falling off as RPM increases.

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Wayne, if the first alternate gives unrestricted throttle opening, then how does this second alternate provide more aggressive power delivery? Is it related to the response speed of the throttle, or something else? Also, how does this "throttle map stops the torque from falling off as RPM increases"? Are you talking about part/increasing throttle scenario, or are you talking about WOT?

A general question for the low load area:

The engine has a secondary air system which adds fresh air in the outlet port of each cylinder head. That means the A/F ratio is changed (compared to the A/F ratio in the cylinder) in the exhaust before reaching the lambda sensors.

Would that not mean that the actual A/F ratio in the cylinder is richer anyway than 14.7:1, but is made more lean (to 14.7:1) by adding air to enable the cats to convert with max. efficency?

Or is this system active only in warm-up to quicken up the warming of the cats for lower emissions in the testing cycle?

A narrow band O2 sensor is more accurate at 14.7/1 than a wide band O2 sensor.
This graph shows the sensor voltage vs A/F for a narrow band sensor.



I should have a 1299S with full Akra on the dyno next week.
I will do the tune up to 20% throttle using the narrow band sensors as outlined above.
Once this is done I will fit the wideband sensors and test the result.
I expect the narrow band tuning to give a flat A/F line when the wideband is fitted.
I will fit the wideband O2 sensors and do a base run before and after the narrow band tune, this will show how accurate this method of tuning is.
I have found that the big difference from bike to bike is in the low throttle area, this is where production tolerance makes the biggest difference.
If we can custom tune the low throttle area using the existing narrow band sensors it is a good thing.
If people don't like this method they don't need to use it.

The TuneBoy map file closes the secondary air injection so that tuners don't need to block off the SAI.

In first gear the 1299S hits 87% throttle at 6500RPM then drops back to 70% throttle.
In second it drops back to 75% throttle.
I have not tested this to see what that gives as a power curve. I will test this by loading the first gear throttle table into the fourth gear position for a power run.

From a rider point of view the actual throttle position is not important, what is important is the throttle grip position and the power through the rev range when the rider holds a steady grip position.
Changing power delivery without rider input is the thing a rider feels, this could be a dip in power or a rush of power.
Riders all like to think they spend a lot of time at high throttle, this is not the case. Just look at the MotoGP riders.
The feel of the bike at part throttle is everything when it comes to a road bike.

Another thing people should try is turning off the fuel cut.
Go to the "Config Options" and put a tick in "FCE", this will stop the ECU from cutting all fuel on deceleration.
The standard ECU program cuts fuel between 5500RPM and 2000RPM when the throttle is fully closed, this causes a jerky throttle feel as you start to turn the throttle and the ECU turns fuel back on. The "FCE" flag stops the ECU from turning the fuel off.
This can be changed without having to reflash the ECU.

Wayne, after you have done the 1299S with full akra dyno, would appreciate the updated files.

fzr100098 said:

You're braver than me - tuning without a wideband seems risky

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Doesn't a Rapid Bike do this in real time?

I don't know if widebands have gotten better over the past ten years, but real time autotuning, when I did it, has its weaknesses.

Thanks for the posts Wayne, interesting stuff. I'd also be interested to hear how you get on with tuning via narrow band sensors and the full Akra map when available. I'm assuming you don't want people tuning higher throttle positions and rpm this way to prevent damage?

bp7178 said:

Doesn't a Rapid Bike do this in real time?

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The standard ECU code also adjusts in real time using the narrow band sensors, the problem is that the target is 14.7/1.

What I am talking about is tuning to 14.7/1 then moving the A/F down into the 13/1 area so the bike runs better.

If you are happy to run all the time at 14.7/1 just leave the standard closed loop mapping in place.

wmcdonal said:

The standard ECU code also adjusts in real time using the narrow band sensors, the problem is that the target is 14.7/1.

What I am talking about is tuning to 14.7/1 then moving the A/F down into the 13/1 area so the bike runs better.

If you are happy to run all the time at 14.7/1 just leave the standard closed loop mapping in place.

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I think you're a little up side down on what I was talking about. My post wasn't directed to you, but was a response to another poster who wrote something negative about tuning with narrow band sensors.

Rapid Bike makes real-time adjustments based on the stock narrow band sensors, and I haven't read anything negative about it here. So its foolish to think RB can pull off narrow band tuning while your product/software can't.

Rapid Bike has a better rep on this forum than your product, and its because of your support of lack there of. I say that owning both. While my experience with Tuneboy has been positive, others may disagree.

I would suggest that your company betters their customer service image which will exponentially help your bottom line.

BTW, the cruise feature is f'n awesome.

13.2, if I'm not mistaken, was the target AFR for naturally aspirated motors before pollution controls came into play. 14.7 might be stoich, but gasoline motors are happier and last longer at 13.2.

And of particular interest to us, the bike should run cooler.

@wayne, is all this supported on the 1199 as well?

bp7178 said:

Rapid Bike has a better rep on this forum than your product, and its because of your support of lack there of. I say that owning both. While my experience with Tuneboy has been positive, others may disagree.

I would suggest that your company betters their customer service image which will exponentially help your bottom line.

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You didn't have a problem with support but you post a negative comment.
Before you say it isn't you need to read what you have written.

Rapid bike has a better rep because we have a lack of support

You suggest that we work on our customer support.

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This is from someone that had a positive experience.
I would think it better to form your opinion of the support from your experience instead of suggesting we work on our support.

Here is an example of a support request.

It won't work

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How do you reply to this.
We reply by asking for more info.
This is by another email without enough info.
Now we ask more specific questions based on the limited info in the second email.
With the time zone differences it can be a day between replies.

At this point the customer is posting negative stuff on forums about the time it takes to get an answer.
The answer is in front of them if they read the documentation.

Wayne, your product/capabilities could be a gold mine, but to me it seems that you are digging it by yourself...

- a customer request is a customer request, no matter what skill level. there is no stupid question
- if you expect your customers to speak your language, well, they could do it themselves if they were that educated
- customers expect simple, easy to use products nowadays, the tuneboy is that not for everyone
- the website contains no new maps, software or simple manuals in an easily accessible fashion
- support means, you get heard as a customer, no matter what
- example: how can a current TB user find out how to reset the service indicator light? (without you answering here? is it in the manual? on the website? on your forum?)

I bought the TB after reading about app-connectivity. I dumped the droid and bought an iPhone. got the tuneboy, got it running great (after waiting 30 hours for the activation code on the weekend - there must be a streamlined way) with my open exhaust. got the cruise control to work after "stupid" customer service questions. i mentioned the app connectivity a few times before, no news.
then i tried to autotune the bike - without knowing (could not find on the website) that i need wideband sensors.

ordered them from you. little did i know, that you sold them as single sensor and single controller.
so i ordered another kit, here in the states, for half the price.
had the prongs welded on the headers, since i found the adapters too big and not pleasing.

at that point gave up on getting my bike running better through TB, no TB-dyno tuner close by, the akra map ran well ...

i enjoy the Cruise control and am curious what the future brings for the 1199 owners, if they will get updated with the TB capabilities for the autotune on the 1299 with the NB sensors.

i hope your recent presence here will trigger some initiative in this direction.

oh, and btw, any news on the app?

thanks,

Phil

Hi Wayne,

IMO the Tuneboy product is excellent (fitted to 1199, about to install on 1299), the CC is superb, the maps were good & there were other great features - quickshifter adjustment for example. I got a far better map from Tuneboy than from Rapidbike, it's been completely reliable & I'd highly recommend it.

There are some frustrations though and my main bug bear is the website.
There is (to my knowledge) no way of checking if you have the latest software.
No way of checking for additional map updates.
No notification that updated software is available.

I've just downloaded the V5 software from the link provided. There was no documentation with the latest link, I've got nothing in the V4.0 regarding some of the other features, tuning with the narrow band sensors for example.

It's quite a leap of faith for most to plug their beloved superbike into a computer and make changes to the ECU, not all of us are computer experts! The lack of website & organisation doesn't instill confidence in Tuneboy and doesn't do your product justice.

Genuine question, how hard would it be to update the website? For customers to be able to check the latest software version, to be able to see available maps, to group email your customers when there has been an update, to have a small forum where members can ask questions and share information (probably reducing the questions you receive). I honestly believe that if can improve those areas you would see a massive upturn in business.

Phl

Why did you have to wait 30 hours.
You should have been given a password long before your product arrived, you simply enter this when the key generation page is displayed.
If the password was not sent I am sorry.
I obviously need to update the documentation to say "Don't start until you have the password to generate a key".
"Edit", just checked the documentation and one of the first things it tells you is that you need the User ID and Password sent to you when you purchased the product.

Where did you get the LC-2 for half our price. Our price is the RRP of Innovate corrected for AUD.
I add the plug to the end so it connects directly to the wiring on the bike, for that we charge $0

The CD contains the manual.
When you install the software it installed the latest map files for the 1199, software and manual.
Nowhere in the documentation does it say you need to go to the web site for any files.
Did you read the documentation.
The "Quick start" sheet has the info you require to get the software installed, at that point it directs you to the documentation.

- example: how can a current TB user find out how to reset the service indicator light? (without you answering here? is it in the manual? on the website? on your forum?)

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I assume from this example that you did not read the documentation.
Under "Service indicator reset" the documentation tells you to go to the "Tools" menu and select "Reset Oil Service Indicator".
If you started the TuneBoyTrim program it would be hard to miss this menu item and the name of the menu item seems clear to me.
This is a good example of what we deal with.
The customer does not want to read any documentation, instead they send an email with a question that is clearly answered in the documentation.
It is hard to find emails with a genuine problem when the inbox is filled with emails that should be titled "I can't be bothered to read the documentation".
When these people don't get a reply they very quickly post a message to a forum saying "Poor support".

From your post it looks like you got everything installed along with the wide band O2 sensors then gave up.

Did you ride the bike and log any info ?
(In documentation)

Did you make and corrections from the wide band data ?
(Again this is explained in the documentation in a step by step way).

Sounds like you have a perfect setup to test the iPhone App.

I did post on this forum asking people to send me the iPhone UDID so I could get some people testing the App.

I could count the number of people who replied on one hand.

The iPhone App has not made it to the App Store because I didn't think anyone was interested and it is hard to waste time on the iPhone app when we have support emails to answer.

A question to you.
If you had a choice should I.
a. Spend my time holding the hand of people who don't want to read the documentation.
b. Add new features for your 1199 maps.
Throttle table switching.
Launch control.

I am not sure if I should add new features as these will just add to the number of support emails.
We don't charge anything for new features so it does not make sense to add any extra features.


Send me your UDID for the phone.
Connect Phone to PC and start iTunes.
iTunes will show the software version of the phone and the serial number of the phone.
Click on the serial number and it will change to UDID
Right click on the UDID and select "Copy".
Paste it into an EMail and send it to TuneBoy Sales, ask Emma to forward it to me.

With this I can build the App so you can install it to the phone using iTunes.
The changes I have made to the App in the last month make it a perfect tool to log while you ride the bike with the wideband O2 sensors fitted.

You can reflash the ECU from the iPhone.
You can log, the log file gets emailed when you stop the log, just email to yourself. You can email the log to me if you like and I will send back a modified trim file to test.

Trim files can be sent from the TuneBoyTrim program on the PC to your iPhone, they just need to be on the same WiFi network.

The config options can be changed from the iPhone.
On the 1199 this includes adjusting the QS kill time, turning off/on deceleration fuel cut.

On the logging screen you can swipe up the screen and the throttle on the bike will blip (No practical use but good for a laugh).

At the moment you need to flash the ECU to change the trim file.
Over the weekend I will change the App so it can send a trim to the ECU while the motor is running.
This will allow you to test trim files without needing to flash the ECU. You will still need to flash the ECU to allow it to keep the trim values when the ECU is powered off.

SPJ said:

There are some frustrations though and my main bug bear is the website.
There is (to my knowledge) no way of checking if you have the latest software.
No way of checking for additional map updates.
No notification that updated software is available.

I've just downloaded the V5 software from the link provided. There was no documentation with the latest link, I've got nothing in the V4.0 regarding some of the other features, tuning with the narrow band sensors for example.

It's quite a leap of faith for most to plug their beloved superbike into a computer and make changes to the ECU, not all of us are computer experts! The lack of website & organisation doesn't instill confidence in Tuneboy and doesn't do your product justice.

Genuine question, how hard would it be to update the website? For customers to be able to check the latest software version, to be able to see available maps, to group email your customers when there has been an update, to have a small forum where members can ask questions and share information (probably reducing the questions you receive). I honestly believe that if can improve those areas you would see a massive upturn in business.

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The reason I posted this thread was because I have not had the time to update the documentation.
The current documentation that came on the CD covers everything except the new features covered in this thread.
This will be in the documentation when I get all the other maps up to the V5 format and build a new install.

I have the following to do.
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Reverse engineering of the ECU code.
Write assembler code to add the new features to the ECU.
Write the PC software and test it.
iPhone App development.
Software testing, this includes testing on the dyno.
Machine up the Quickshifter parts and assemble.
build any adapters to connect the WB-01 to diag port.
Build the nudge buttons for the Cruise Control.
Write microcode updates for WB-01. Test these updates.
New product development like the QuickShifter and Cruise control that I have done for the Yamaha ECU's (Not complete due to lack of time).
Support for all models we cover,Ducati, KTM, Triumph, Aprilia, Buell, Moto-Guzzi etc.
Documentation.
Web site content.

I am sure I forgot plenty of stuff.
I have already been working on the PC since 4:30 this morning and I expect to be working all weekend.

So in short it would take time to update the web site and I don't have any of that.
We have a new web site in dev but it still requires lots of content that I don't have time to do.
It is far more important to me that the code in the ECU is tested, tested, tested, tested.

Doh! forgot one.
I am designing a little logger that will plug into the diagnostic port, this will log to a micro SD.
This will add features to the ECU that can't be done with the current hardware.
This device requires skills in circuit board design, microcode for the onboard CPU and microcode changes to all of the TuneBoy maps.
This device is a spin off from the Yamaha product that I don't have the time to complete.

I stay off forums because any post brings out the trolls.