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Do you even understand WSBK homologation rules?
Well gosh Boba, I thought I did but by your tone its apparent that I was sadly mistaken so I assume the correct answer is no. Perhaps for my enlightenment and possibly the enlightenment others here could I trouble you for a detailed synopsis of the homologation spec as it pertains the the platform that is the topic of discussion. Thank you in advance.
Actually Boba to simplify things considerably, if you could just post the 2019 FIM homologation rules specific to "Wings and Aerodynamic aids" that would suffice as my content was specific to that category and your comment was not specific only implying that I had lack of general knowledge with regards to homologation rules in general which may be the case however I was quite specific in my reference content. The subset "wings and Aerodynamic aids" in the 2018 FIM Technical Rules manual is undefined so until it is defined, your comment with regard to my lack of understanding regarding homologation is not relevant. I look forward to the education. Thank you.
How can you say the AD bits are a gimmick for a street bike? How can you defy laws of physics with such a blunt statement? Those winglets will add downforce with speeds as little as 120km+ and reach that top level of downforce at near 280km/h. They will add that downforce irrespective of rider skill and irrespective if the rider feels any benefit or not.
Thus they can't really be a gimmick!
If you are so dissatisfied with the brand so much, and so dismissive of whatever thing you consider to be a gimmick why not change brands? What's stoping you from pursuing your satisfaction from ANYTHING out there? What's with all the hate really?
I tend to agree but there has been a lot of subjective weight figures and someone's wet weight might be different from other manufacturer. For example BMW used to publish their weights according to some DIN standard -Full of fuel, oil, coolant, tools, battery etc ... ready to run ... while others might not count in the wet weight the tools for example. Or they'd tell you 85% tank full or stuff like that. So another figure was thrown into the mix. Dry weight, without fluids like gas, oil, coolant.
While your last observation is correct, one would argue that the machine can't function as intended, without a human on it and thus a human must be considered, as the car manufacturers generally consider a human male of 75kgs as the driver. All a bunch of BS ofc.
guys, relax! It is almost Christmas, peace on earth for everybody.
You can like them or not, you can get a boner from these wings or you totally dry up.. But frankly, i don't care
Take some gluhwein, eat too much and listen to Mariah Carey and Wham...
And then go behind your computer, come to this forum and bitch about the R-wings
You can like them or not, you can get a boner from these wings or you totally dry up.. But frankly, i don't care
Take some gluhwein, eat too much and listen to Mariah Carey and Wham...
And then go behind your computer, come to this forum and bitch about the R-wings
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Straight from the wsbk website:
The use of aerodynamic components (e.g. "˜wings'), would only be permitted if fitted on the homologated model sold in the Europe, Japan and North America.
Ok thanks so that's a statement on the WSBK website. Still not defined in the FIM book but OK. So the wings were obviously positioned on the works bike in some sort of calculated manner. This is traditionally done with the bike in race trim, with the rider in the wind tunnel. The airfoil sections are positioned (tuned) to the application so how does this translate to a general setting for a street bike? It doesn't and multiple people have answered this. The wings for the street were so installed to comply with the homologation. They are not tunnel tuned like the works bikes because they can't be. So in the end, they are a gimmick on a street bike. AndreiD If you really think that your particular skill sets warrant the addition of those wings on street bike then well damn, you sir are one ass kicking individual. Do you really think in any real world scenario that removing the wings off the R is going to be a measurable difference to anyone on this board? Its OK to just come out and say "F it, I like the way the wings look" there is nothing wrong with that. People like what they like but to defend it to the end that those wings are going to somehow translate into something tangible from a performance perspective on a street driven motorcycle is just not sane thinking. "yea but they add down force with speeds as low as 120kmh" Dude are you having stability issues with the bike you have now at 75 mph? If you are not, then well maybe you don't need wings. Care to guess at the number of accidents that would have been avoided with the addition of the wings from a stability perspective? zero and I'm just guessing that if the guys here who are racing Ducati's and are able to control the bikes on the track without wings that just maybe, having the wings on a street bike may not be needed.
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All your posts are negative! What is your problem?? If you dont like the bike or cant justify it then let it be already.
The thread started with a video explaining what the wings were and what they did and you immediately stated they are dumb and only usable at 180 mph. When other people tried to explain to you that aerodynamics don't just kick on at x speed you doubled down and went straight to ridicule and stating that only pro racers could benefit from passive stability assistance. Nobody here stated they wanted them to be street rossi just that they could benefit anyone regardless of skill no matter how small assistance is still assistance
Wait, stop the presses, MAC was kind enough to post the spec. I now concede, gotta have the wings. I was about to go for a blast up the toll roads but I am now not at all comfortable with the probable instability issues and uncontrollable wheelies that await me. Mick you need to get on the wings young man. Knock those things out and YoungR, those FGR 300s sure are pretty but you don't stand a chance on that thing unless Mick gets cracking.
When did anyone argue that they were needed for the street? Like i said you went immediately to making sure that everyone knew only posers want them and only top GP riders could ever benefit from them ever and if you don't think like I do you is most dumb and just plain being very mean spirited about something people are excited about because you no like fake plastic dumb wingers on my duck
Well the verbiage is a little sketchy but damn man, thats pretty damn accurate. Guys when you get your R's, if that thing isn't ever going to see the track just do the right thing and mount those things to the wall and use them for a helmet hangar. And no the original bitch was in fact guys touting the benefit on the street when there just isn't any. It's called living vicariously through marketing and advertising. Devils in the details my friend. Yes the winglets are functional. Yes they have data on the winglets that is demonstrable. Yes they are useful in certain circumstances. Thats all in the marketing literature. What is not in the marketing literature is the fact that all that doesn't apply you or I. Its all what the machine is capable of in capable hands in a controlled environment someplace where you and I don't live my friend. So if you re going to put the wings on to go out for milk and eggs try and keep the "dude, they really help with the wheelies at 150 and really keep me stable while Im spinning up the rear turning on the on ramp" to a minimum. There is enough of that already.
Oh and Zeus, I read your original post "let people have their fun" this isn't fun damnit, these are wings were talking here, wings are serious business. This isn't Dr Phil, there are no back rubs or tissues here well except when Mark is on then there are the obligatory # 46 tissues but you get it now buck campers. What they should have done is included a helmet like the one in the Rocketeer with the steerable rudder on top. Oh well, maybe 2020. I'll drop GiGi a note.
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It's apparently quite important to endo that he's always correct...and that no one likes their new R because he doesn't like wings.
au contraire (I think thats french) Mr Karp. I like the R and well, I fly planes so certainly wings. Do I think with a few mods the R with a few mods would make a great race bike for series racers? Sure do. Do I think that the R out of the box would make an outstanding track bike? Sure do. Do I think a bike that makes its power in the stratosphere RPM range, uses a single oil ring piston and has wings on it is a good idea for a street bike. Uh *&%$ no because it's not. Pretty straight forward.
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