V4R Details?

endodoc said:

Exactly my point. The works V4 is designed to win races and if an AD package helps to do that then by all means get it on there. The bike they sell at the dealership isn't that bike, its a bike that has to be sold to satisfy the rules and the guys who are buying them (with a few exceptions) are not those riders. Post up all the class winners from WERA and CCS a year from now and lets see how many guys are on the podium with a 40K dealer bike. For a street bike, the AD bits are a gimmick. The R is a "race inspired bike" based on a mandate. Awesome bike right out of the gate for sure but lets keep it real. Unlike Aprilia where you can actually go and buy a race bike, Ducati sell's "race inspired" bikes. If you want a Corse spec v4 R, you going to need some tools, some skills and an Amex card

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endodoc said:

Exactly my point. The works V4 is designed to win races and if an AD package helps to do that then by all means get it on there. The bike they sell at the dealership isn't that bike, its a bike that has to be sold to satisfy the rules and the guys who are buying them (with a few exceptions) are not those riders. Post up all the class winners from WERA and CCS a year from now and lets see how many guys are on the podium with a 40K dealer bike. For a street bike, the AD bits are a gimmick. The R is a "race inspired bike" based on a mandate. Awesome bike right out of the gate for sure but lets keep it real. Unlike Aprilia where you can actually go and buy a race bike, Ducati sell's "race inspired" bikes. If you want a Corse spec v4 R, you going to need some tools, some skills and an Amex card

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endodoc said:

LOL well you are absolutely correct, that brand has shown time and time again that they don't give 2 ..... about their customers or the issues with their bikes. Lots of colorful fruits, veggies and nicely placed garnish, just not a lot of meat and potatoes. They are all about colored coordinated back packs and branded accessories and getting the most money they can for what they sell. Ask them what they put into amateur racing or how accessible their RS parts are etc.

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Mutt1979 said:

I still don't like their bodged power-to-weight numbers of bhp per kg using dry weight. It makes no sense, that machine can't function or produce that power at that weight, it would self destruct.......

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endodoc said:

Actually Boba to simplify things considerably, if you could just post the 2019 FIM homologation rules specific to "Wings and Aerodynamic aids" that would suffice as my content was specific to that category and your comment was not specific only implying that I had lack of general knowledge with regards to homologation rules in general which may be the case however I was quite specific in my reference content. The subset "wings and Aerodynamic aids" in the 2018 FIM Technical Rules manual is undefined so until it is defined, your comment with regard to my lack of understanding regarding homologation is not relevant. I look forward to the education. Thank you.

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endodoc said:

Ok thanks so that's a statement on the WSBK website. Still not defined in the FIM book but OK. So the wings were obviously positioned on the works bike in some sort of calculated manner. This is traditionally done with the bike in race trim, with the rider in the wind tunnel. The airfoil sections are positioned (tuned) to the application so how does this translate to a general setting for a street bike? It doesn't and multiple people have answered this. The wings for the street were so installed to comply with the homologation. They are not tunnel tuned like the works bikes because they can't be. So in the end, they are a gimmick on a street bike. AndreiD If you really think that your particular skill sets warrant the addition of those wings on street bike then well damn, you sir are one ass kicking individual. Do you really think in any real world scenario that removing the wings off the R is going to be a measurable difference to anyone on this board? Its OK to just come out and say "F it, I like the way the wings look" there is nothing wrong with that. People like what they like but to defend it to the end that those wings are going to somehow translate into something tangible from a performance perspective on a street driven motorcycle is just not sane thinking. "yea but they add down force with speeds as low as 120kmh" Dude are you having stability issues with the bike you have now at 75 mph? If you are not, then well maybe you don't need wings. Care to guess at the number of accidents that would have been avoided with the addition of the wings from a stability perspective? zero and I'm just guessing that if the guys here who are racing Ducati's and are able to control the bikes on the track without wings that just maybe, having the wings on a street bike may not be needed.

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jarelj said:

The V4R will take the same Akra exhaust as the other V4 models, only difference is the mapping that gets downloaded to the ECU. When we first got them we were told to plan for around 6 hours and after installing a couple it was clear that it's a 2-day job for one tech to complete so we charge 10 hours for the install. I wish it wasn't that, but that's reality. Everything is so tightly packaged and lots of "stuff" to disassemble to get to everything and then put it all back together.

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Mutt1979 said:

Unless I'm mistaken all of the shots of the R already have the pipes with stock end cans? Maybe just not in titanium? so you may be able to get the full performance with slip-ons, just not the weight savings.

Just an observation.

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Blackbrush said:

The "R" has different primary tubes than the other models. Is it possible the only real difference between it and the full Akra is the second half of the exhaust?

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