V4S vs. Speciale

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Mutt1979 said:
MV have been limited runs for a long while, as you say they've lost their shine.

Aside from a number there's nothing on the Speciale that you can't get from a parts catalog and a wrap/paint job. The R will be the one to have but I can't help feeling that I'm now priced out of that one. Rumour has it there will be a price cap increase coming for 2019 WSBK
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DUCENZO said:
My thoughts as well, is like I know they have to account for inflation and cost of technology but, bumping these prices up on especially the Speciale which is basically a Tri Colore is ridiculous. That means the R will be about $45-$46k and if it gets the Mag wheels option you looking at $49K USD.
Quite frankly at $45K for the V4R I'd buy a used 1199SL (Ive seen for sale in mid forties). Now that's bang for the buck!!!



Ehhh I think it's kinda premature to say that it won't have the bottom end as the 1100. I'm sure they'll find a way or already have a way but saving it for the production R.
Surely the WSBK V4R won't suffer a lack of low end !!!
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Agreed, look no further than Performance Bike mag. They have a great article on the 1000cc V4R that is currently under testing.
 
I was also in the conundrum of V4S or Speciale.

Here's what I looked at to help with my dilemma.

The Speciale has most of the parts I'd buy but a couple I can live without. So I started looking to see what it cost to put those parts on the V4S. The only ones I cant get are the serialized top yoke and the paint scheme.

With that being said I just added it up. Keep in mind these are retail prices but I'm pretty confident I can get a better deal through my dealer.


Carbon front/rear mudguards $780
Alcantara seat $260
Ducati Performance rearset $1099
Carbon heel guards $175
Carbon swingarm cover $350
Racing Clutch/brake levers $410
Brake level protection $330
Ducati Akrapovič exhaust system $5300
Belly pan for Exhaust $260
Racing screen $200
Plate holder removal kit $40
Mirror Block off $120
Ducati Data Analyser ??
Bike cover $300
Racing fuel tank cap $220

The total cost of those parts is $9844
The difference in the cost of the bikes is $12500
I'm sure the dealer would be a bit more flexible on the V4S price since its not a numbered bike.

Keep in mind you would still have your stock parts. So I decided to do the V4S and do a wrap of some sort to make it my own. I know this was a bit long winded hopefully it helps someone on the fence.

 
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For those that will more than likely do all those mods anyway, the speciale is a great buy. Looks a million times better than plain red and you don't need to worry about doing any of the mods yourself or paying someone to do it. If you're gonna keep the bike basic, then V4S it is. Money aside, this should be a no brainer here. If I was in the market, speciale would be it every day of the year.
 
HKMP7 said:
I was also in the conundrum of V4S or Speciale.

Here's what I looked at to help with my dilemma.

The Speciale has most of the parts I'd buy but a couple I can live without. So I started looking to see what it cost to put those parts on the V4S. The only ones I cant get are the serialized top yoke and the paint scheme.

With that being said I just added it up. Keep in mind these are retail prices but I'm pretty confident I can get a better deal through my dealer.


Carbon front/rear mudguards $780
Alcantara seat $260
Ducati Performance rearset $1099
Carbon heel guards $175
Carbon swingarm cover $350
Racing Clutch/brake levers $410
Brake level protection $330
Ducati Akrapovič exhaust system $5300
Belly pan for Exhaust $260
Racing screen $200
Plate holder removal kit $40
Mirror Block off $120
Ducati Data Analyser ??
Bike cover $300
Racing fuel tank cap $220

The total cost of those parts is $9844
The difference in the cost of the bikes is $12500
I'm sure the dealer would be a bit more flexible on the V4S price since its not a numbered bike.

Keep in mind you would still have your stock parts. So I decided to do the V4S and do a wrap of some sort to make it my own. I know this was a bit long winded hopefully it helps someone on the fence.
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double0 said:
For those that will more than likely do all those mods anyway, the speciale is a great buy. Looks a million times better than plain red and you don't need to worry about doing any of the mods yourself or paying someone to do it. If you're gonna keep the bike basic, then V4S it is. Money aside, this should be a no brainer here. If I was in the market, speciale would be it every day of the year.
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Good analogy and breakdown but, you're forgetting labor which is fair to include even though you'll have the V4S takeoff part you could sell. Also that numbered yoke is "priceless" in this comparison lol. And color scheme to die for.

I do preach that the Speciale is not special enough and it's over priced but few yrs ago I'd be all over it :). Now that I'm an investor I couldn't do it but if I was ballin hell yeah lol.

Used 1199SL>Speciale V4S
 
HKMP7 said:
I was also in the conundrum of V4S or Speciale.

Here's what I looked at to help with my dilemma.

The Speciale has most of the parts I'd buy but a couple I can live without. So I started looking to see what it cost to put those parts on the V4S. The only ones I cant get are the serialized top yoke and the paint scheme.

With that being said I just added it up. Keep in mind these are retail prices but I'm pretty confident I can get a better deal through my dealer.


Carbon front/rear mudguards $780
Alcantara seat $260
Ducati Performance rearset $1099
Carbon heel guards $175
Carbon swingarm cover $350
Racing Clutch/brake levers $410
Brake level protection $330
Ducati Akrapovič exhaust system $5300
Belly pan for Exhaust $260
Racing screen $200
Plate holder removal kit $40
Mirror Block off $120
Ducati Data Analyser ??
Bike cover $300
Racing fuel tank cap $220

The total cost of those parts is $9844
The difference in the cost of the bikes is $12500
I'm sure the dealer would be a bit more flexible on the V4S price since its not a numbered bike.

Keep in mind you would still have your stock parts. So I decided to do the V4S and do a wrap of some sort to make it my own. I know this was a bit long winded hopefully it helps someone on the fence.
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That's what my thought process was as well when deciding on the v4s. Most of the parts on the speciale I want, but not all. Don't want the rearsets, lever guard, gas tank cap, plate holder removal, mirror block offs, levers, alcantara seat, etc. And some I just wanted another brand or style.

If you're price sensitive, I humbly thing most are missing the point here. Since you're considering both, I would assume you could afford either comfortably. Any experienced investor will tell you it's not all about the purchase price difference. It's more about the ownership cost. Here in Canada, the S is $31k and speciale is $48k. The S with all the mods should be around 40k. That's 8k difference (aside from taxes etc which is at a static rate so we will discard thst in this conversation). So you'd save 8k on a almost equally equipped S (minus the top yoke and paint). But keep in mind, wholesale value of the speciale will depreciate from 48k, while the s with 9k of mods will start depreciating at 31k since resellers and wholesalers consider mods to narrow the market and not worth anything (case by case basis relative to your relationship with your dealer but for argument sake let's say it's at 0 value). So let's say the first year, both will depreciate at 20%. After a year, the speciale will be worth $38400, and the s will be worth 24800. So if I bought the speciale, I would have lost 9600 after a year, but with the v4 S, after a year I would have lost $6200 + $9k (in mods) = $15200. Still the speciale seems like a better deal right? But... The 7k I saved on the initial purchase, if I dump that back into my business and assume the same client acquisition cost of about 10%, I'd make $70k top line from the $7k I saved, which far outweighs the $5600 ownership cost difference on the 2.

I know many numbers are are approximate and you may have a dealer that would give you more for this or that or sell you the bike or parts at a lower price. But this is the ballpark I considered when deciding on the speciale vs. S. Since I'm not going to keep this bike forever, nor does the paint scheme or numbered bike mean much to me, it was just down to price.

I'm a nerd and a finance guy. Apologies to those who hate numbers.

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DUCENZO said:
Good analogy and breakdown but, you're forgetting labor which is fair to include even though you'll have the V4S takeoff part you could sell. Also that numbered yoke is "priceless" in this comparison lol. And color scheme to die for.

I do preach that the Speciale is not special enough and it's over priced but few yrs ago I'd be all over it :). Now that I'm an investor I couldn't do it but if I was ballin hell yeah lol.

Used 1199SL>Speciale V4S
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The only real labor would be the exhaust if you cant do it yourself. The other parts are simple bolt-ons.

Don't get me wrong I love the paint scheme. I don't get hot and bothered about having a numbered yoke tho. After everything I figure I'd save $6000 buying the V4S. With stock parts still in hand. Lastly I find it easier to negotiate a better deal on the non "limited edition" bike. Its doubtful they'll be willing to discount the Speciale.
 
DUCENZO said:
Good analogy and breakdown but, you're forgetting labor which is fair to include even though you'll have the V4S takeoff part you could sell. Also that numbered yoke is "priceless" in this comparison lol. And color scheme to die for.

I do preach that the Speciale is not special enough and it's over priced but few yrs ago I'd be all over it :). Now that I'm an investor I couldn't do it but if I was ballin hell yeah lol.

Used 1199SL>Speciale V4S
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Surprised more aren't jumping on the sl right now
 
Nitrouz said:
That's what my thought process was as well when deciding on the v4s. Most of the parts on the speciale I want, but not all. Don't want the rearsets, lever guard, gas tank cap, plate holder removal, mirror block offs, levers, alcantara seat, etc. And some I just wanted another brand or style.

If you're price sensitive, I humbly thing most are missing the point here. Since you're considering both, I would assume you could afford either comfortably. Any experienced investor will tell you it's not all about the purchase price difference. It's more about the ownership cost. Here in Canada, the S is $31k and speciale is $48k. The S with all the mods should be around 40k. That's 8k difference (aside from taxes etc which is at a static rate so we will discard thst in this conversation). So you'd save 8k on a almost equally equipped S (minus the top yoke and paint). But keep in mind, wholesale value of the speciale will depreciate from 48k, while the s with 9k of mods will start depreciating at 31k since resellers and wholesalers consider mods to narrow the market and not worth anything (case by case basis relative to your relationship with your dealer but for argument sake let's say it's at 0 value). So let's say the first year, both will depreciate at 20%. After a year, the speciale will be worth $38400, and the s will be worth 24800. So if I bought the speciale, I would have lost 9600 after a year, but with the v4 S, after a year I would have lost $6200 + $9k (in mods) = $15200. Still the speciale seems like a better deal right? But... The 7k I saved on the initial purchase, if I dump that back into my business and assume the same client acquisition cost of about 10%, I'd make $70k top line from the $7k I saved, which far outweighs the $5600 ownership cost difference on the 2.

I know many numbers are are approximate and you may have a dealer that would give you more for this or that or sell you the bike or parts at a lower price. But this is the ballpark I considered when deciding on the speciale vs. S. Since I'm not going to keep this bike forever, nor does the paint scheme or numbered bike mean much to me, it was just down to price.

I'm a nerd and a finance guy. Apologies to those who hate numbers.

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This is exactly my train of thought.
Only time will tell but I don't think any of these limited editions will hold any more value percentage wise than the normal ones.
 
HKMP7 said:
This is exactly my train of thought.
Only time will tell but I don't think any of these limited editions will hold any more value percentage wise than the normal ones.
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Oh absolutely not. It'll depreciate just like any other standard bike. Unless it's limited AND homologated or a race replica, no way is it ever going to appreciate in the near future.

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I don't know why people make a big deal out of this. The answer is simple: none of these bikes are investments, at least not financial ones.

Buy the bike that pulls your heart strings the most. You will never ever regret having the machine of your dreams and that's not something measured in dollars.

Work for your money; own motorcycles (or cars) because you love them. Don't try to mix the two. It very rarely ends well.
 
I got something wrong, I never bought a bike based on depreciation and/or appreciation.
 
This thread type will rear its head again when the V4R debuts and members will remark that the prospective buyer would be faster on a S model. Maybe they are right but let the buyers spend their money on whatever Ducati they want. Hopefully, Ducati will then make less expensive entry level models to introduce to more curious future Ducatisti to the brand.
 
How much enjoyment can you afford? In the end they all depreciate, it's safe to assume. I spent $5k on a race exhaust for my BMW S1000RR; it was already more of a bike than I could ever push to its limits before the mod, but I found the stock exhaust to be far too sedate. So now with an Austin Racing exhaust (which shoots fire on downshifts and at about 11K emits a scream like an enormous wild animal getting boiled alive in acid) I love the bike and get way more pleasure out of it. In and of itself, $5k for an exhaust is nuts and you lose your shirt on resale but if it makes you far happier than the initial $20k investment in your happiness made you, then it was worth it, IMHO.
 
"Fun Money" is always something I'm willing to throw away for the sake of fun. "Fun Money" = "Bike Money". That's also why I would never ever finance a bike. It's just me. As long as I do what's right financially according to my current situation, it's all good.
 
Nitrouz said:
"Fun Money" is always something I'm willing to throw away for the sake of fun. "Fun Money" = "Bike Money". That's also why I would never ever finance a bike. It's just me. As long as I do what's right financially according to my current situation, it's all good.
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Good post.
 
jpanigale said:
Financing has it's advantages when it comes to Insurance issues...
Since bank owns the bike Insurance has to indemnify them not owner...
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Interesting. Not here in Canada.

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