Vandemon high mount V2

endodoc · Jul 5, 2022

Paul G said:
Vandemon are made in China, the company is Van Hool, they may or may not sell to you directly. Recently I enquired about a V4 exhaust and they wouldnt sell to me. The quality is first class, the styling is... well its personal taste but I think the cans look crappy despite the quality of the work. There's plenty of good undertail options for the twin, I like the Termis' plus they have the Italian heritage. If you are going to stump up for a new exhaust the figure you should be concerned with is the difference in price. I would rather pay another few k to get the exhaust i like the best. As for tuning, as far as warranty goes, if your bike is new and you want no hassles, go the Akra plus Ducati software route. If not so important any decent dyno tuner should be able to sort you out.

Normally, I wouldn't touch anything from China. Now I said that from Japan long ago and more recently from Taiwan but those guys are putting out some serious stuff in the cycling industry. The VD exhaust I got is not stock. It has a different front header (no heat shield) and the collector header is 40mm shorter than stock. The ID of the pipes is specific for what I wanted based on a projected flow of a modified SL head. I did not pay for this particular pipe. Previous to this I did buy a stock VD pipe and was impressed by the build quality and simplicity for what I wanted. The hardness of the material is comparable to Akra, Termi Arrow etc. The tubing is thicker, the weld penetration is very uniform, thermal consistency is good and aesthetically, the pipe looks as good as anything custom and certainly nicer that the mainline stuff.

I bought a full SBK storm pipe and a full SBK Akra pipe for the 1199RS engine as those pipes were built specifically for that displacement and those heads are modified. A lot of guys are throwing race pipes (real race pipes) not "race replicas" on stock motors. These pipes are not optimally tuned for those applications. Those race motors are using modified chambers and electronics that the street guys don't have. Get a pipe that is made for your motor. Now the flame wars start with the dyno charts. .... the dyno charts unless your racing for money. Get the pipe that works for you. If your a street rider, get a pipe that wont cook your nuts. Another reason I am using the VanAsian pipe is the JP oil pan will not work with the traditional system which left the Akra or Termi under tail which I just wasn't much into. Im currently toying with chopping the cans off the VanAsian pipe and welding something else on there maybe some Termi cans. Its a bit loud for my taste but it does sound beastly. Lastly, the pipe is cooler than the traditional pipe that I ran for years. I don't notice the heat.

tftrained · Jul 8, 2022

Thank you Endodoc and Paul for your responses. I am mainly a track rider (just bought a lifetime membership w/ a track here in Interior BC, Canada) but ride almost every day on the street (when track is not open for members) to stack up as many miles/kms as possible. I am JUST starting out and currently have a lap time of 3:25 (on a track where the "pros" clock a little over 2 mins).

This V2 is going to be a track machine I also have a '22 R7 and a '17 R6 that I used heavily at the start of the season to learn the track but quickly realized that the lower CC bikes will put me on a different learning trajectory. Bottomline, I have decided to primarily master "bigger" bikes on the track going forward. R7/R6 will be for the street and/or for the morning sessions on the track.

Sound is my main "attraction" point. I want a loud exhaust because (here comes the laughter) the sound scares me! The first time I rode my R6 with full akro , I almost lost my hearing ability. It was since that day that I realized that I MUST find comfort with a loud exhaust. (I find earplugs to be distracting and not allowing me to feel the engine better).

Looks like I will wait for the Akra full system (or Termi/Arrow) as I have zero mechanical skills and would like pipes that have stood the test of time so that they need minimum tinkering for the next few years when I will still be only learning.

thejellyo · Jul 8, 2022

tftrained said:
Thank you Endodoc and Paul for your responses. I am mainly a track rider (just bought a lifetime membership w/ a track here in Interior BC, Canada) but ride almost every day on the street (when track is not open for members) to stack up as many miles/kms as possible. I am JUST starting out and currently have a lap time of 3:25 (on a track where the "pros" clock a little over 2 mins).

This V2 is going to be a track machine I also have a '22 R7 and a '17 R6 that I used heavily at the start of the season to learn the track but quickly realized that the lower CC bikes will put me on a different learning trajectory. Bottomline, I have decided to primarily master "bigger" bikes on the track going forward. R7/R6 will be for the street and/or for the morning sessions on the track.

Sound is my main "attraction" point. I want a loud exhaust because (here comes the laughter) the sound scares me! The first time I rode my R6 with full akro , I almost lost my hearing ability. It was since that day that I realized that I MUST find comfort with a loud exhaust. (I find earplugs to be distracting and not allowing me to feel the engine better).

Looks like I will wait for the Akra full system (or Termi/Arrow) as I have zero mechanical skills and would like pipes that have stood the test of time so that they need minimum tinkering for the next few years when I will still be only learning.

Bring me along to A27!

I'm here in the Lower Mainland

JBJR · Dec 22, 2023

endodoc said:
Normally, I wouldn't touch anything from China. Now I said that from Japan long ago and more recently from Taiwan but those guys are putting out some serious stuff in the cycling industry. The VD exhaust I got is not stock. It has a different front header (no heat shield) and the collector header is 40mm shorter than stock. The ID of the pipes is specific for what I wanted based on a projected flow of a modified SL head. I did not pay for this particular pipe. Previous to this I did buy a stock VD pipe and was impressed by the build quality and simplicity for what I wanted. The hardness of the material is comparable to Akra, Termi Arrow etc. The tubing is thicker, the weld penetration is very uniform, thermal consistency is good and aesthetically, the pipe looks as good as anything custom and certainly nicer that the mainline stuff.

I bought a full SBK storm pipe and a full SBK Akra pipe for the 1199RS engine as those pipes were built specifically for that displacement and those heads are modified. A lot of guys are throwing race pipes (real race pipes) not "race replicas" on stock motors. These pipes are not optimally tuned for those applications. Those race motors are using modified chambers and electronics that the street guys don't have. Get a pipe that is made for your motor. Now the flame wars start with the dyno charts. .... the dyno charts unless your racing for money. Get the pipe that works for you. If your a street rider, get a pipe that wont cook your nuts. Another reason I am using the VanAsian pipe is the JP oil pan will not work with the traditional system which left the Akra or Termi under tail which I just wasn't much into. Im currently toying with chopping the cans off the VanAsian pipe and welding something else on there maybe some Termi cans. Its a bit loud for my taste but it does sound beastly. Lastly, the pipe is cooler than the traditional pipe that I ran for years. I don't notice the heat.

Thanks for this write-up. So for a MotoAmerica Supersport build (i.e., stock engine -- tuned down, actually), would you recommend that Vandemon? I'm thinking it is probably ok, because it's a stock class, and we won't be trying to pull every last HP from it, like on an SB class. As long as it isn't totally untunable, I think it would be ok?

JohnSmith · Dec 22, 2023

would not recommend, aren't you looking to do a MA build here ?

JBJR · Dec 22, 2023

KarlKani said:
would not recommend, aren't you looking to do a MA build here ?

Yes, I am. What's so bad about it, specifically?

JohnSmith · Dec 22, 2023

its a crap brand, no one that races uses these exhausts

JBJR · Dec 22, 2023

KarlKani said:
its a crap brand, no one that races uses these exhausts

That's not very specific, lol. What makes it crap? Construction looks good to me. Does it flow poorly? Reduce HP? Hard to tune? Reduce torque? Fit poorly? Break easily?

JohnSmith · Dec 22, 2023

I love that you want to go race this bike. Not many people on here are racing anything... But do you understand how few people actually race Ducatis? In those terms are you going to try and go about it in a way that no one else does? The biggest detriment to racing Ducatis is that LACK of reference there is. There are a lot of brands that are not serious about making good stuff but are just trying to survive off the fact that proper kit for Ducatis is very expensive, so for them filling a gap of a less exp exhaust for usually squid ish type street guys that feel they must make bike louder or have it look like a slightly custom. If you want to build a proper race bike get a akrapovic under tail exhaust or if you don't want to spend that much get eh Akra under tail OR Termi under tail

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