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Who else thinks that the design will depend on how they fare in WSBK?

With the mandatory switch to EVO class next year, the Panigale has a good chance to stay for a few more years. If this was not the case, I think they would release the next generation sooner than later.
 
9 years. 2021. That would be the same amount of time as the 916/996/998 platform. But isn't the 999, 1098 pretty much similar with a new face??? So does that count?

2 reasons why it'll be here a while:
1.) It's a pile of parts. Any of those parts can be changed to drasticly update the bike as needed. There is no frame limiting the bike.
2.) It's the 1st good looking Ducati since the 916.

I mean there is no 1199. Nothing is there. No frame. Need a new engine, put a new engine in. Need a flexier swing arm, add a flexy swingarm. The 1199 is a pile of parts.

That'll make it really easy to update and keep up. You can't get modern CBR1000 handling from a CBR900rr frame and swing arm. But the 1199 has no frame. Adjusting the pile of parts for new geometry or technology should be a breeze.

And it's the 1st Ducati widely accepted as "excellent looking" since the 916. I don't think Ducati will be stupid enough to walk away from that. The 999, 1098, and 1198 were all good looking. But everyone still looked back to the 916 as the best looking Ducati. Until the 1199. That's what's going to keep that platform around.

Unless they get shreaded in WSBK. But they might need to Homologate the street going Desmosedici again. Honda and Aprillia have allready proven that V4's are the best choice for racing. Hopefully Ducati twins once again prove me wrong. But I think they'll need more talent than they have in WSBK. Honda's going to make a $65,000 V4 RCXX soon.
 
The frameless concept was tried and failed in MotoGP. Hopefully it will be a bit different in WSBK. So far, no bueno.
 
Claudio blames tires for that though.:
Q&A: Claudio Domenicali Talks Frameless Chassis, Sacred Cows, & The Future for Ducati

Makes sense. Cycle World almost didn't get an 1199 for it's shootout because they always use a spec tire. And Ducati will only provide the 1199 if the reviewer uses the proper Pirelli tire. CW caved and the Ducati kicked but. 2nd in lap time to the Ape, but with faster speeds on just about all the straights.

And you only get 6 engines for MotoGP. So frame geometry changes are toast with a frameless bike. While that's also the case in WSBK, maybe it's not as big of an issue?

I don't know. Racing at this level.......I think Ducati is still doing as well as can be expected. Rossi was washed up, Stoner did fine on the frameless. Ducati is still punching way above their weight class. Boxing with heavy weights like Honda and Yamaha. Their racing budgets could buy Ducati.

And the 1199 is still too new to expect big things from. Good or not, the 1199 is absolutely not the easiest way to win. Down 2 cylinders, air restricted, and there's the no frame weirdness. A hard day for any race tech.
 
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Buliwyf said:
Boxing with heavy weights like Honda and Yamaha. Their racing budgets could buy Ducati.
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This something allot of people do forget. I think Ducati does good still for their budget. Hopefully with the crazy success of nearly all their bikes now, more funds can go into the racing effort to put them back on top over the next 2-3 years.
 
With Honda now bringing a new V4 to the open market maybe Ducati will go that way? I know they've already tried, but now they have ze Germans on board to help with their engineering prowess.

Desmo engine, Panigale set up/frame less? But certainly with it's looks and technology the Panigale already is next generation?!

Or you could have this?!?!
Lotus Motorcycles Announces New V-Twin Prototype Superbike | Super Streetbike
 
BadBoyBeltran said:
The frameless concept was tried and failed in MotoGP. Hopefully it will be a bit different in WSBK. So far, no bueno.
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Failing would be blowing up six engines before the third race. Placing regularly in the top 10 is hardly considered failing when you're competing against the best in the world.

Revolutionary ideas don't usually succeed the first time out. And once Ducati cracks the code on frameless, they'll be WAY ahead of the competition.
 
Here's my prediction: In 5 years, Ducati will not have the only sport bike with a frameless chassis! ;)
 
Yeah, I see thee death of I4 bikes on the horizon. The Ape and Pani are so much better feeling.

The big 3 might not introduce new bikes on time. Likely are retooling and engineering for frameless v4's, maybe a twin from Suzuki or Honda!
 
NOLA said:
What are you talking about"¦they JUST modified the R model from '13 to '14.

Hazard lights :)

NOLA
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and.......steering head adjustment kit! WSBK homologation will determine what gets added to the 1199R in future years. Obviously sub-frames and fuel tanks can be changed on the factory race bikes without the R production model being changed so my guess is SL crank, SL electronics,
 
That would be enough to make me trade up to an "R" from the 2012 S;)
 
Brad said:
That would be enough to make me trade up to an "R" from the 2012 S;)
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Seriously buddy, I went from a 2012 S to a 2014 R. The difference is night and day.

Dooooooooooooooooooo iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit!:D
 
Mutt1979 said:
Seriously buddy, I went from a 2012 S to a 2014 R. The difference is night and day.

Dooooooooooooooooooo iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit!:D
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Yup! I have both and the R is much more refined especially if you plan to use it on the track. Way nicer engine!
 
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Buliwyf said:
9 years. 2021. That would be the same amount of time as the 916/996/998 platform. But isn't the 999, 1098 pretty much similar with a new face??? So does that count?

2 reasons why it'll be here a while:
1.) It's a pile of parts. Any of those parts can be changed to drasticly update the bike as needed. There is no frame limiting the bike.
2.) It's the 1st good looking Ducati since the 916.

I mean there is no 1199. Nothing is there. No frame. Need a new engine, put a new engine in. Need a flexier swing arm, add a flexy swingarm. The 1199 is a pile of parts.

That'll make it really easy to update and keep up. You can't get modern CBR1000 handling from a CBR900rr frame and swing arm. But the 1199 has no frame. Adjusting the pile of parts for new geometry or technology should be a breeze.

And it's the 1st Ducati widely accepted as "excellent looking" since the 916. I don't think Ducati will be stupid enough to walk away from that. The 999, 1098, and 1198 were all good looking. But everyone still looked back to the 916 as the best looking Ducati. Until the 1199. That's what's going to keep that platform around.

Unless they get shreaded in WSBK. But they might need to Homologate the street going Desmosedici again. Honda and Aprillia have allready proven that V4's are the best choice for racing. Hopefully Ducati twins once again prove me wrong. But I think they'll need more talent than they have in WSBK. Honda's going to make a $65,000 V4 RCXX soon.
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Well said, all things being equal, more pistons = more longevity and since the regs are mandating less and less motors for a season, the move to V4 will be nessessary.
 
Mutt1979 said:
Seriously buddy, I went from a 2012 S to a 2014 R. The difference is night and day.

Dooooooooooooooooooo iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit!:D
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whats the HP difference again? 5hp? is it really night and day??? geez...I wanna try one!!!
 
azimmerlyjr said:
whats the HP difference again? 5hp? is it really night and day??? geez...I wanna try one!!!
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I don't think there is any HP difference...;) Not according to Ducati at least... It just revs higher... But peak power/torque is the same...
 
revs quicker due to lighter flywheel and TI con-rods



lighter flywheel is a $250 part (or you get yours lightened for about the same $$$) con- rods are around a grand. then there's the rev. limiter ...

good thing you can set that in the tuneboy software :D
 

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