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Your sanctimonious meltdown is a putrid mix of melodrama, ignorance, and Western chauvinism—the kind that’s soaked the earth in blood for centuries. I’ve served on the front lines, seen war’s butchery—torn bodies, dying kids—not your playhouse fantasy of “civilized world” tears. Spare me your armchair shame; it’s not righteous—it’s complicity in a vile parade of power, profit, and betrayal, wrapped in red-white-and-blue hypocrisy. I’m ashamed—of fools like you who’d rather howl about “cowardice” than face facts.
You wail over Trump and MAGA “abandoning” Ukraine, but where’s your rage at the West’s architects who rigged this disaster? The Budapest Memorandum—your precious Belarus Accords—wasn’t a holy vow to bleed for Ukraine; it was a limp 1994 “assurance,” not a war pact. Ukraine dumped its nukes for a handshake, not a suicide mission. Russia’s Crimea move and Donbas war? Sparked by NATO’s eastward shove—after Gorbachev got a 1990 promise of “not one inch”—and the U.S.’s $5 billion Maidan coup in 2014, Nuland cherry-picking leaders like it’s reality TV. Zelenskyy’s the latest stooge, banning parties, muzzling media, begging billions while Ukraine hemorrhages—1,000,000 dead, millions uprooted—for a spat you’ve bloated into apocalypse.
You slur Russians as “subhuman,” sobbing “genocide,” but what about Kyiv’s own filth? Since 2014, the Kyiv regime’s shelled its own east, killing 15,000 civilians—women, kids, grandparents—in Donbas, all before Russia’s big move. No tears for them? And Russia’s 27 million dead crushing Hitler in WWII—more than any nation—don’t earn your “subhuman” tag? You’re blind to the West’s Minsk farce—Merkel bragged in 2022 it was a ploy to arm Ukraine, not fix Donbas. Istanbul peace talks, 2022? Boris Johnson sank them to keep the war grinding, not to save souls. “America’s values”? Coups and lies? Our forebears didn’t die for BlackRock to drool over Kyiv’s wreckage or Lockheed to bank on HIMARS. Biden’s gang’s poured $200 billion into this slaughter, and you clap like it’s noble.
Ukraine “doesn’t owe” us? Okay. But we don’t owe them our bones either. The Accords didn’t mandate forever war—your guilt does. Nukes might’ve deterred Russia, sure—but NATO’s taunts lit the match. I hate war. I’ve smelled the death, not just the propaganda you gorge on. You’re not honoring sacrifices; you’re pissing on them, craving more gore for your pride. Kyiv’s 15,000 civilian kills and Russia’s 27 million WWII ghosts laugh at your “Hitler” jab. Tell Ukrainians to die for your “commitment”? No—tell them peace takes balls, not your sanctimonious sniveling. You’re the one twisting lies to sleep. I rest easy knowing I’d stop this, not fuel it.
I got so tired of this thread I just stop replying or responding. You can do the heavy lifting, but remember the people you are talking to are AMERICANS.... they are educated to be, then kept intentionally ignorant and incapable of, cogent or discerning thought processes. Most are the product of the Public School system, which means they are taught memorization, not critical thinking.

Keep up the good work.
 
It’s a bit late for that - there are already about four NATO members bordering Russia.

If I was bordering Russia I think I’d want to be in NATO…

Are those countries next if that’s really Putin’s reason for invading?

Maybe it’s not really about that.

you meant 2 when the conflict had began ?

Those countries don't have 2nd biggest army in Europe I guess.

Again I'm just saying its not as black-and-white with a single sentence explanation.

Probably Russia's position : Ukraine joins NATO, builds up military and goes to fight Donetsk, Luhansk and Crimea and Russia can't realistically fight them as Nukes will be deployed in Ukraine at same time. In their view : USAID gave money to separatists in Kiev to overthrow democratically elected govt, install Western puppets and dictate other Ukranian people how to live. Doesn't sound fair to me, does it ?

And I bet they view the whole thing in the context of Iraq/Afaganistan/Libia shenanigans by NATO.
 
Can't speak or understand any Russian. Grew up in the Southern Hemisphere and wasn't fed the Govt and Media indoctrination you Americans receive 24/7
Flyer4u is actually Elon. Where do you you find the time to expert when you’re CEO of 3 large companies, finding all the waste and fraud, and now trying to get rid of Social Security?
 
It’s a bit late for that - there are already about four NATO members bordering Russia.

If I was bordering Russia I think I’d want to be in NATO…

Are those countries next if that’s really Putin’s reason for invading?

Maybe it’s not really about that.
You are of course correct. And of course, this is really all about money. Ukraine has 27 trillion dollars in proven natural resources. Rare earth minerals, oil and gas. Putin wants Ukraine under the guise of putting the USSR back together. In 2014, Putin saw Obama as weak and afraid of Russia’s nuclear threat. So he took Crimea with no pushback from the West. Huge mistake, and you can hang that one on Obama and the Democrats. When Trump entered the picture, Putin saw his perfect opportunity to once and for all, really stick it to America and the West.
Putin obviously has something incredibly damaging on Trump. I suspect it’s a video of Trump with Russian Hookers on one of his Miss Universe “fact finding” missions in Moscow.
The world needs to keep this “simple and stupid”. We’ve got two criminals doing criminal stuff. Trump can get away with a lot of despicable stuff and MAGA is fine with it. The one thing that would break MAGA support is a video of Trump’s depravity. Putin knows this and so does Trump. It’s the only thing that makes any sense. Think about it; if Trump cranked up the support for Ukraine, Russia would complete collapse. The Russian economy is on the brink. Trump would be a hero, and the undisputed top Alpha Dog in the world. He would get the Noble Piece Prize for sure. His legacy would be undeniable. Hell, I would even take my hat off to him.
But he’s not taking this obvious gift. Why? He’s Putin’s bitch, and that’s the reason Trump is a traitor.
Trump said he wanted to be paid back for America’s 180 billion dollars of military support. For that, he wanted half of Ukraine’s mineral wealth of 27 trillion dollars. Zelenskyy was forced to agree to it, and was at the White House to sign the deal. I’m sure Putin said “no”, and Trump had to blow up a 13 trillion dollar return on a 180 billion dollar investment. Think of what 13 trillion dollars would do for our national debt? Trump’s deal would go down in history as bigger than Alaska or the Louisiana Purchase. What could possibly motivate Trump, the world’s greatest deal maker, to blow up such an obvious and spectacular deal? “He wanted Zelenskyy to say Thank You for the 423rd time?” Yeah!
 
You are of course correct. And of course, this is really all about money. Ukraine has 27 trillion dollars in proven natural resources. Rare earth minerals, oil and gas. Putin wants Ukraine under the guise of putting the USSR back together. In 2014, Putin saw Obama as weak and afraid of Russia’s nuclear threat. So he took Crimea with no pushback from the West. Huge mistake, and you can hang that one on Obama and the Democrats. When Trump entered the picture, Putin saw his perfect opportunity to once and for all, really stick it to America and the West.
Putin obviously has something incredibly damaging on Trump. I suspect it’s a video of Trump with Russian Hookers on one of his Miss Universe “fact finding” missions in Moscow.
The world needs to keep this “simple and stupid”. We’ve got two criminals doing criminal stuff. Trump can get away with a lot of despicable stuff and MAGA is fine with it. The one thing that would break MAGA support is a video of Trump’s depravity. Putin knows this and so does Trump. It’s the only thing that makes any sense. Think about it; if Trump cranked up the support for Ukraine, Russia would complete collapse. The Russian economy is on the brink. Trump would be a hero, and the undisputed top Alpha Dog in the world. He would get the Noble Piece Prize for sure. His legacy would be undeniable. Hell, I would even take my hat off to him.
But he’s not taking this obvious gift. Why? He’s Putin’s bitch, and that’s the reason Trump is a traitor.
Trump said he wanted to be paid back for America’s 180 billion dollars of military support. For that, he wanted half of Ukraine’s mineral wealth of 27 trillion dollars. Zelenskyy was forced to agree to it, and was at the White House to sign the deal. I’m sure Putin said “no”, and Trump had to blow up a 13 trillion dollar return on a 180 billion dollar investment. Think of what 13 trillion dollars would do for our national debt? Trump’s deal would go down in history as bigger than Alaska or the Louisiana Purchase. What could possibly motivate Trump, the world’s greatest deal maker, to blow up such an obvious and spectacular deal? “He wanted Zelenskyy to say Thank You for the 423rd time?” Yeah!
The deal was definitely blown up by Putin. Trump even admitted to talking to Putin behind closed doors (where’s that transcript or transparency?) a few days prior to this meeting without anyone knowing about this. Also, why was a TASS reporter, a known Russian propaganda outlet, allowed in the Oval Office and live streaming this meeting?
 
From what I read EU countries never cared to police the deal and hence Ukraine re-mobilized their army between 2014-2022 which was not part of the deal, so Russia saw that and assumed deal is off. Which is a fair point.
 
I like how he capitalized this. I wouldnt mind one myself to be honest
It was1956, when Mrs. Davidson taught me proper English grammar in her third grade classroom. Much has changed.
I too remember my momentary interest in hookers…. I was 14.
 
Who’s this chach?

Again, these idiots who don’t realize that the fastest way to peace is Russian pulling out of Ukraine even just the newly occupied parts and re-establishing pre-22 borders would be a step in the right direction. There’s no need to acquiesce to Putin. If anything it makes you look even weaker. It’s like asking a bully to punch you in the stomach instead of the face
 
Who’s this chach?

Again, these idiots who don’t realize that the fastest way to peace is Russian pulling out of Ukraine even just the newly occupied parts and re-establishing pre-22 borders would be a step in the right direction. There’s no need to acquiesce to Putin. If anything it makes you look even weaker. It’s like asking a bully to punch you in the stomach instead of the face
SD I repeat, you are a moron and if a rational thought entered your mind it would entirely be alone and dumbstruck at the vast empty space it encountered. You have no idea about real politics, the ways of the world and the power of the bullet.
 
I don't understand the lefts position is on this war. Are we suppose to continue with the Biden agenda of slow walking aid and half measures in an effort to bleed out Russia? You want to sacrifice Ukraine just to put a hurtin on Russia? Time for a reality check, Ukraine doesn't have the man power for that and Russia is going to win short of US direct intervention. A negotiated peace deal with border concessions is the only way this war is going to end without Russian control over Ukraine.
 
I don't understand the lefts position is on this war. Are we suppose to continue with the Biden agenda of slow walking aid and half measures in an effort to bleed out Russia? You want to sacrifice Ukraine just to put a hurtin on Russia? Time for a reality check, Ukraine doesn't have the man power for that and Russia is going to win short of US direct intervention. A negotiated peace deal with border concessions is the only way this war is going to end without Russian control over Ukraine.
Read up on the Winter War. Finland succeeded in repelling Russia with less personnel and materiel. Ukraine needs to be more harsh with Russian occupiers and inflict devastation on them (which they're currently doing). Western allies need to provide Ukraine with more technologies to counteract the cowardly missile and drone attacks and more lethal weapons. Putin needs to be put-in his place.
 

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