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DV4 said:
War is politics with a bullet, strip away the fighting and what you have are two sides that are trying to impose their will upon the other for various reasons. The Russians have made it clear what they want which is essentially a neutral state on their western border, I cannot see any negotiated peace unless that demand is assured because why would they stop now when they are on a roll. Trump has no cards to play and he knows it, us troops are not going to be sacrificed for yet another war they will lose. Russia is not interested in annexing any part of western europe and all of the imbeciles masquerading as political leaders in the EU know it.
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So if the EU doesn't care enough to do the heavy lifting about Russia taking Ukraine, why should the US?
 
Forewarned said:
So if the EU doesn't care enough to do the heavy lifting about Russia taking Ukraine, why should the US?
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The US has for years pursued the Brzezinski doctrine, the short version is he who controls central europe (ukraine) controls the world island and he who controls the world island controls the world. However the US is a dollar short and a day late with regards Ukraine, Donnie is a businessman and he knows when to cut losses. The US ship of state does not change course easily, while there is much public fanfare over stopping the war, behind the scenes they are plotting their next move. The most important point I will make about DJT is this; look at what he does and ignore the words.

Some light reading; https://im1776.com/lessons-from-ukraine/

Knowing what type of war you are signing up for is paramount. It is doubtful whether Europe would have rushed to war in 1914 if they could have foreseen the reality of the Western Front. Ukraine intimates that future wars will be industrial, mass casualty affairs, characterized by agonizingly slow process and the mass consumption of both human biomass and industrial material. The War in Ukraine has been much larger, more expensive, and less decisive than Americans are used to and has shown that the military value of American wealth, power, and technological sophistication are limited. It should be taken as an opportunity to learn important lessons in order to avoid still worse disasters.
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Sheikh said:
The fact that the thought you those thoughts even occurred to you means that not only do you have NO idea what I really think... you try to put YOUR shortcomings on me. Sounds like baggerman has a performance issue on top of a serious lack of grasp on Reality.

Stop making baseless accusations. It only shows your lack of ability and immaturity
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You are an utter tool bud. Ignorant posing as educated. Can't see what's so clearly in front of you. Give it six months.
 
Sheikh said:
The fact that the thought you those thoughts even occurred to you means that not only do you have NO idea what I really think... you try to put YOUR shortcomings on me. Sounds like baggerman has a performance issue on top of a serious lack of grasp on Reality.

Stop making baseless accusations. It only shows your lack of ability and immaturity
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I just had a stroke trying to understand what you are saying "The fact that the thought you those thoughts even occurred to you means that not only do you have NO idea what I really think"

whaaaaaaa?
 
The might of the Russian army haven't managed all that much in three years against Ukraine, regardless of where weapons have come from, but our supposed alliance of nations is scared to put Putin in his place...

It's definitely about money for Russia (and for Trump) and Putin's definitely got something on Trump. Sticking it to the West is no doubt a big motivation as well, both for maintaining his hold on power and also because it's just how he thinks, given his background

Unfortunately the current situation was encouraged by allowing Russia's prior annexations - those were a little test of the water and the EU and US proved themselves to be weak enough to make his invasion possible. He's not had the warm embrace that I believe he was expecting though.

And now Trump's withholding weapons and intelligence - he couldn't be helping Putin more. With allies like that...
 
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spooky said:
The might of the Russian army haven't managed all that much in three years against Ukraine, regardless of where weapons have come from, but our supposed alliance of nations is scared to put Putin in his place...

It's definitely about money for Russia (and for Trump) and Putin's definitely got something on Trump. Sticking it to the West is no doubt a big motivation as well, both for maintaining his hold on power and also because it's just how he thinks, given his background

Unfortunately the current situation was encouraged by allowing Russia's prior annexations - those were a little test of the water and the EU and US proved themselves to be weak enough to make his invasion possible. He's not had the warm embrace that I believe he was expecting though.

And now Trump's withholding weapons and intelligence - he couldn't be helping Putin more. With allies like that...
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Trump wants the EU to get tough on defense and stand on their own two feet. Instead of spending money on their defense, they've been spending it on social programs because big brother has had their back. Now it's time to fight for yourselves so we can focus on the Pacific.
 
Forewarned said:
Trump wants the EU to get tough on defense and stand on their own two feet. Instead of spending money on their defense, they've been spending it on social programs because big brother has had their back. Now it's time to fight for yourselves so we can focus on the Pacific.
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I don't disagree with regard to what money has been spent on, what has been happening in Europe, etc, etc. Abandoning Ukraine and abandoning US commitments to Ukraine is not being done to encourage the EU to do more. It's just a shakedown - give us half of your resources or we'll let Putin take your country... This makes the US an unreliable partner and it's not going to lead anywhere pleasant. Giving Ukraine to Putin isn't going to lead to peace either - probably the opposite.

And this idea that 'big brother' has had our backs ignores the assistance given (and lives lost) supporting various US wars - not just EU countries but Ukraine as well (I've yet to hear any gratitude or thanks from Vance to the Ukraine for their military assistance in those foreign ventures). Many countries have sacrificed the lives of their soldiers in support of the US over the years.
 
spooky said:
I don't disagree with regard to what money has been spent on, what has been happening in Europe, etc, etc. Abandoning Ukraine and abandoning US commitments to Ukraine is not being done to encourage the EU to do more. It's just a shakedown - give us half of your resources or we'll let Putin take your country... This makes the US an unreliable partner and it's not going to lead anywhere pleasant. Giving Ukraine to Putin isn't going to lead to peace either - probably the opposite.

And this idea that 'big brother' has had our backs ignores the assistance given (and lives lost) supporting various US wars - not just EU countries but Ukraine as well (I've yet to hear any gratitude or thanks from Vance to the Ukraine for their military assistance in those foreign ventures). Many countries have sacrificed the lives of their soldiers in support of the US over the years.
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What I'm saying is it's easy to become a soft socialist country when you don't have to spend money on your military because the US will be there. And now its time to get tough and spend more GDP on your own defense. After all... if the EU shows the world that they don't care enough about Russia to do the heavy lifting then why should we (USA). And it wouldn't hurt for the EU to adopt the Czech gun laws.
 
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spooky said:
I don't disagree with regard to what money has been spent on, what has been happening in Europe, etc, etc. Abandoning Ukraine and abandoning US commitments to Ukraine is not being done to encourage the EU to do more. It's just a shakedown - give us half of your resources or we'll let Putin take your country... This makes the US an unreliable partner and it's not going to lead anywhere pleasant. Giving Ukraine to Putin isn't going to lead to peace either - probably the opposite.

And this idea that 'big brother' has had our backs ignores the assistance given (and lives lost) supporting various US wars - not just EU countries but Ukraine as well (I've yet to hear any gratitude or thanks from Vance to the Ukraine for their military assistance in those foreign ventures). Many countries have sacrificed the lives of their soldiers in support of the US over the years.
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What would you do if the USA pulled it's military bases out of Europe, Hmmm??

Answer: QUIVER, SHAKE, and BEG.
 
VYRUS said:
I’m surprised nobody has commented about my wife’s blonde friend. I can assure you, Fat Donny knows who she is.
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I knew she looked familiar. Your wife is beautiful, almost as beautiful as beautiful (my wife) who is 69, half Apache and currently driving me crazy as she's fronting 2 bands (she retired years ago, this is a hobby thing). Do you have a Tesi?
 
Forewarned said:
What I'm saying is it's easy to become a soft socialist country when you don't have to spend money on your military because the US will be there. And now it’s time to get tough and spend more GDP on your own defense. After all... if the EU shows the world that they don't care enough about Russia to do the heavy lifting then why should we (USA). And it wouldn't hurt for the EU to adopt the Czech gun laws.
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I wasn’t disagreeing with that. They have taken peace for granted and probably did not expect Russia to actually start another war in Europe. They need to step up. This all should have happened some years ago when Putin first started sending his little green men overseas. Nobody did a thing – US or EU – and he was emboldened, which has led to this.
 
spooky said:
I wasn’t disagreeing with that. They have taken peace for granted and probably did not expect Russia to actually start another war in Europe. They need to step up. This all should have happened some years ago when Putin first started sending his little green men overseas. Nobody did a thing – US or EU – and he was emboldened, which has led to this.
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The europeans have been killing each other over territory for a thousand years, its the wellspring of nazi's and the holocaust, even now they are falling over each other to supply bombs to kill kids in Gaza. They dragged the rest of the world into the great slaughters of WW1 and 2, now those evil imbeciles are trying to start WW3. Heres an idea, maybe they need to pursue peace with their eastern neighbours? As for Ukraine, its a nest of azov neo nazis and corruption, and like all US funded wars a literal $$ laundromat for the well connected elites.
 
DV4 said:
those evil imbeciles are trying to start WW3
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exciting times, Macron is going nuts

2 women in EU are pushing for war

UK prime minister that just jailed a bunch of mates for Facebook posts now wants to send same mates to Ukraine

What in the hell those EU bureaucrats are thinking ? That Russia will agree to host NATO peacekeepers on Ukrainian territory while the whole reason why Russia went to Ukraine was NATO expansion ?


Trump is the only sane guy in this whole drama
 
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spooky said:
The might of the Russian army haven't managed all that much in three years against Ukraine, regardless of where weapons have come from, but our supposed alliance of nations is scared to put Putin in his place...

It's definitely about money for Russia (and for Trump) and Putin's definitely got something on Trump. Sticking it to the West is no doubt a big motivation as well, both for maintaining his hold on power and also because it's just how he thinks, given his background

Unfortunately the current situation was encouraged by allowing Russia's prior annexations - those were a little test of the water and the EU and US proved themselves to be weak enough to make his invasion possible. He's not had the warm embrace that I believe he was expecting though.

And now Trump's withholding weapons and intelligence - he couldn't be helping Putin more. With allies like that...
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The whole reason why I can't install a nice looking and loud exhaust on my Ducati street bike is exactly the same as one being used to support this war by EU monkeys. They are just a bunch of fat and ugly Greta Thunbergs who think that their view of the world is the only thing that matters.
 

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