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Okay just finished a day at cota. I am not convinced about my 15 front gearing for cota.

Could not keep the front end down especially on the straights - the front was constantly skimming off the top and wanting to lift. Not a good feeling at 140 mph. Kept me from being wide open and cost me at least 15-20 miles an hour on the back straight. Cranking up the wheelie control to 8 kept the front down but the traction light was almost continuously on when I was on the gas. I am running the SLR unfiltered tune so no torque limits in any gear.

This makes me think the torque limits are a good thing. Instead of depending on anti-wheelie intervention, slightly limiting the torque is a better way of doing things. Does SLR offer a tune that keeps all of the Ducati secret sauce stuff working and just address the air fuel map?
 
I can tell you for sure the 16t does the same thing. Front and back straight and the front end was not staying down. I had TC and WC at 2 and still lighting the warnings... This was today @ COTA as well on my 21 Factory. It's the undulations. My StreetFighter V4s and GSX-r1000R do the same thing. Either go left around the undulations on the back straight or ride the white line on the right. It helps ALOT!

165-170mph on the back straight in 4th gear. I'm going to drop to the 15 for more grount out of the corner and to help get to max speed quicker

Dang didn't know you were there, would have come and said hi.

Tell me about the bumps, had a couple of almost hairy headshakes at 150 mph.

I will go back to 16T and see how it feels. COTA is a track for tall gearing on any bike.....
 
This makes me think the torque limits are a good thing. Instead of depending on anti-wheelie intervention, slightly limiting the torque is a better way of doing things. Does SLR offer a tune that keeps all of the Ducati secret sauce stuff working and just address the air fuel map?

Yes, I have a supposed 21 map with all the factory neutering in place adapted for my 18 and only evap etc. deleted. I will go back to stock gearing and SC1s and see where that nets me before going to a dummied out tune....
 
Okay just finished a day at cota. I am not convinced about my 15 front gearing for cota.

Could not keep the front end down especially on the straights - the front was constantly skimming off the top and wanting to lift. Not a good feeling at 140 mph. Kept me from being wide open and cost me at least 15-20 miles an hour on the back straight. Cranking up the wheelie control to 8 kept the front down but the traction light was almost continuously on when I was on the gas. I am running the SLR unfiltered tune so no torque limits in any gear.

I'm going to go back on May 7th and will throw my stock front sprocket back on for that day. It also was not warm enough today for sc1s (ran sc3s today) and hoping May 7th is warm enough for sc1s.

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great to see you setting some fast times

keep us posted, of your progress on your next visit to cota
 
I can tell you for sure the 16t does the same thing. Front and back straight and the front end was not staying down. I had TC and WC at 2 and still lighting the warnings... This was today @ COTA as well on my 21 Factory. It's the undulations. My StreetFighter V4s and GSX-r1000R do the same thing. Either go left around the undulations on the back straight or ride the white line on the right. It helps ALOT!

165-170mph on the back straight in 4th gear. I'm going to drop to the 15 for more grount out of the corner and to help get to max speed quicker

165 on 4th gear, daaaamn, that is fast

what lap times were you doing ?
 
You know what... my brain was not thinking straight last night. I was looking at 15t front sprockets for my Aprilia RSV4 Factory and reading/replying to this thread. Ignore my advice about the gearing.

The undulations are real though. At one point, at about 125-130 I was lifting so much at the slight bend in the back straight I "moved" about 15' to the left before putting in a little lean to the right to get back on line.

For lap times, I forgot my Solo 2, and didn't reliably hit the trigger each lap. Even though it was not a super packed day, I never got a clean lap where I wasn't stuck behind some traffic and for me times on a trackday are less important than stuffing people in the corners. Afterall, you can't win a trackday, but you sure can lose one and take others along with you.
 
You know what... my brain was not thinking straight last night. I was looking at 15t front sprockets for my Aprilia RSV4 Factory and reading/replying to this thread. Ignore my advice about the gearing.

The undulations are real though. At one point, at about 125-130 I was lifting so much at the slight bend in the back straight I "moved" about 15' to the left before putting in a little lean to the right to get back on line.

For lap times, I forgot my Solo 2, and didn't reliably hit the trigger each lap. Even though it was not a super packed day, I never got a clean lap where I wasn't stuck behind some traffic and for me times on a trackday are less important than stuffing people in the corners. Afterall, you can't win a trackday, but you sure can lose one and take others along with you.

haha, I actually have a tshirt that says "world trackday champion"

I was doing 2:36s yesterday but there is so much more on the table. If I can figure out gearing and consistently add 15mph to top speed on both straights, that alone will drop me to 2:34s. SC1s and a hot day will drop to 2:33s. Then I have to work on my lines - so far I am entirely self-taught on COTA and put the line together on my sim rig in a car. There's at least 2 areas that I already know of where the bike line is very different from the car line.

Going to be working with some 1:1 coaching on May 7th...I'd be very happy to run 2:31-2:32s....
 
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haha, I actually have a tshirt that says "world trackday champion"

I was doing 2:36s yesterday but there is so much more on the table. If I can figure out gearing and consistently add 15mph to top speed on both straights, that alone will drop me to 2:34s. SC1s and a hot day will drop to 2:33s. Then I have to work on my lines - so far I am entirely self-taught on COTA and put the line together on my sim rig in a car. There's at least 2 areas that I already know of where the bike line is very different from the car line.

Going to be working with some 1:1 coaching on May 7th...I'd be very happy to run 2:31-2:32s....

Which group will you be riding?
 
May 28 is a RS day correct? I haven't ridden with them in a long time. I believe their cutoff for expert is 2:45 so I should be in that group.

I think that’s correct - 2:45 and instructor approval ahead of time (they give you a code to input when you reserve your spot online if it’s your first time scheduling in that group).

What about the 7th with 3:16 - “advanced” there too? Iirc, I’m registered for advanced with 3:16 on the 7th, and intermediate A group with RS on the 28th and 29th. I lap in the 30’s too - I’ll look forward to riding with you :)
 
haha, I actually have a tshirt that says "world trackday champion"

I was doing 2:36s yesterday but there is so much more on the table. If I can figure out gearing and consistently add 15mph to top speed on both straights, that alone will drop me to 2:34s. SC1s and a hot day will drop to 2:33s. Then I have to work on my lines - so far I am entirely self-taught on COTA and put the line together on my sim rig in a car. There's at least 2 areas that I already know of where the bike line is very different from the car line.

Going to be working with some 1:1 coaching on May 7th...I'd be very happy to run 2:31-2:32s....


You should have a lot more time in you with slicks and getting more familiar with the lines. I was running somewhere in the 2:40-2:50 range yesterday(guesstimate due to my forgetting to hit the trigger and traffic) on the stock SuperCorsa SP V3s not using warmers. Had no issues with grip or feel.

RS is 2:40 for Expert/L3 @ COTA. Your solo shows those times. When you register they'll ask you who bumped you to Adv/L3. They are under new mgmt this year, so no idea how strict they are going to be on those times. Last year it was 2:55 iirc
 
I think that’s correct - 2:45 and instructor approval ahead of time (they give you a code to input when you reserve your spot online if it’s your first time scheduling in that group).

What about the 7th with 3:16 - “advanced” there too? Iirc, I’m registered for advanced with 3:16 on the 7th, and intermediate A group with RS on the 28th and 29th. I lap in the 30’s too - I’ll look forward to riding with you :)

OK good to know, yes looking forward to riding together. @RODOLFO, @WyldCFH you and I should be fun.

Yes, advanced group with 316. Ignazio was telling me he's about to put up a 1:1 coaching offering within the advanced group for that day on his Website. I am waiting to sign-up for that.
 
OK good to know, yes looking forward to riding together. @RODOLFO, @WyldCFH you and I should be fun.

Yes, advanced group with 316. Ignazio was telling me he's about to put up a 1:1 coaching offering within the advanced group for that day on his Website. I am waiting to sign-up for that.

I haven't decided if I am doing the 316 day on the 7th. I will be there both RS days in May, the 28th & 29th. I'll be the only Aprilia in the Ducati Austin garage.
 
I think that’s correct - 2:45 and instructor approval ahead of time (they give you a code to input when you reserve your spot online if it’s your first time scheduling in that group).

What about the 7th with 3:16 - “advanced” there too? Iirc, I’m registered for advanced with 3:16 on the 7th, and intermediate A group with RS on the 28th and 29th. I lap in the 30’s too - I’ll look forward to riding with you :)

move up to group 3, with RS

intermediate is way to slow for 2.30 times
 
OK good to know, yes looking forward to riding together. @RODOLFO, @WyldCFH you and I should be fun.

Yes, advanced group with 316. Ignazio was telling me he's about to put up a 1:1 coaching offering within the advanced group for that day on his Website. I am waiting to sign-up for that.

looking forward on riding with the FORUM GANG on May 28
 
In other news, a completely decked out V4 of some sort almost took me out yesterday the first session out! I was leaned over and on the gas for the uphill left hander (Turn 8) when he came out of nowhere, cut across me on the inside, hit my front wheel and proceeded to promptly go off track to the right of me. Thankfully he didn't crash and I have no idea how I stayed upright. Usually, when someone taps your front wheel while leaned, its game over. He was nice enough to find me in the pits later and apologize.

Imagine living that down! Two dressed up modded out Ducatis crashing into each other and shutting track down in the first session of an Aprilia track day :D
 
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In other news, a completely decked out V4 of some sort almost took me out yesterday the first session out! I was leaned over and on the gas for the uphill left hander (Turn 8) when he came out of nowhere, cut across me on the inside, hit my front wheel and proceeded to promptly go off track to the right of me. Thankfully he didn't crash and I have no idea how I stayed upright. Usually, when someone taps your front wheel while leaned, its game over. He was nice enough to find me in the pits later and apologize.

Imagine living that down! Two dressed up modded out Ducatis crashing into each other and shutting track down in the first session of an Aprilia track day :D

That would suck. I had someone do much the last last year coming out of 11 onto the back straight.
 
In other news, a completely decked out V4 of some sort almost took me out yesterday the first session out! I was leaned over and on the gas for the uphill left hander (Turn 8) when he came out of nowhere, cut across me on the inside, hit my front wheel and proceeded to promptly go off track to the right of me. Thankfully he didn't crash and I have no idea how I stayed upright. Usually, when someone taps your front wheel while leaned, its game over. He was nice enough to find me in the pits later and apologize.

Imagine living that down! Two dressed up modded out Ducatis crashing into each other and shutting track down in the first session of an Aprilia track day :D

jaaaaa that would have sucked

how was the track?
Is the big bump on the long straight gone?

the one on turn 2, going down hill?

and the one on turn 16, the long right hander ?
 
jaaaaa that would have sucked

how was the track?
Is the big bump on the long straight gone?

the one on turn 2, going down hill?

and the one on turn 16, the long right hander ?
COTA is always awesome, very physically demanding. I don't have more than 5-6 laps in me at one time, so if you take out pit out and pit in, that leaves only 4 hot laps. Usually takes me a couple of laps to pass people and open up clear track, so you really have only two goes per session to put down some lap times. Gotta be on your game.

Bump on the back straight still there! Combined with my front lifting, it made it super hairy to twist it wide open. My top speeds were very low.

Bump right at the apex of turn 2 still there. I don't remember any bumps in the carousal (16) on the back. I felt bumps between 18 & 19.
 

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