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the similar wheel barrow exhaust on the pro bikes is bigger and different its evo 2 not the same as the off the shelf thing.... for your 7K

Makes me want to start a racing exhaust company. I just have to remember to laser etch the word "titanium" on a few parts and I'll be making tubes for $8k a package.
Wait, what was it 3 years ago $3-4k, then last year was $5-6k, now we're past $7k. Next year? Who says $9-10k? This is way better than crypto. When will we'll we get to a fifth of the cost of the bike is the ti tubes? hahahaa
 
Makes me want to start a racing exhaust company. I just have to remember to laser etch the word "titanium" on a few parts and I'll be making tubes for $8k a package.
Wait, what was it 3 years ago $3-4k, then last year was $5-6k, now we're past $7k. Next year? Who says $9-10k? This is way better than crypto. When will we'll we get to a fifth of the cost of the bike is the ti tubes? hahahaa

This is what happens when there’s no competition in the marketplace. Akra is way too dominant and buddy buddy w Ducati
 
Akra is way too dominant and buddy buddy w Ducati

Agreed. I think it’s Akra’s relationship with Ducati that has mostly driven cost - as the only aftermarket exhaust a buyer can roll into vehicle financing AND not void the manufacturer warranty, they’ve got a near monopoly.

Regarding competition, it’s not that there aren’t other choices - it’s just that they can’t compete with Akra because they aren’t “Ducati approved”.
 
Agreed. I think it’s Akra’s relationship with Ducati that has mostly driven cost - as the only aftermarket exhaust a buyer can roll into vehicle financing AND not void the manufacturer warranty, they’ve got a near monopoly.

Regarding competition, it’s not that there aren’t other choices - it’s just that they can’t compete with Akra because they aren’t “Ducati approved”.

That seems questionably legal. Where's my lawyer? Ok to fund our new racing exhaust company, we'll start an anti-trust class action suit and stay open to a settlement with a Ducati contract, and ours won't look like ass.
 
I do think the exhausts are overpriced, but also I DO think that certain things are massively overlooked in regard to complaining about the price.
+How many ducati V4 are sold?
-Of that number how many put full systems on?
+Aside from material costs - development costs are amortized into projections based on numbers pointed out above

this is a larger scale then what happens in WSBK, meaning a Corse WSBK Akra exhaust cost I think 12-15k

As I said from the jump - its too expensive. But what is outlined above and then compounded by maintaining a certain margin is how we get to such wild numbers. Big part of it is how there really arent THAT many Ducatis out there compared Japanese bikes
 
I do think the exhausts are overpriced, but also I DO think that certain things are massively overlooked in regard to complaining about the price.
+How many ducati V4 are sold?
-Of that number how many put full systems on?
+Aside from material costs - development costs are amortized into projections based on numbers pointed out above

this is a larger scale then what happens in WSBK, meaning a Corse WSBK Akra exhaust cost I think 12-15k

As I said from the jump - its too expensive. But what is outlined above and then compounded by maintaining a certain margin is how we get to such wild numbers. Big part of it is how there really arent THAT many Ducatis out there compared Japanese bikes

Always someone wanting to inject reason and logic into an emotion-driven rant. ;)
 
I do think the exhausts are overpriced, but also I DO think that certain things are massively overlooked in regard to complaining about the price.
+How many ducati V4 are sold?
-Of that number how many put full systems on?
+Aside from material costs - development costs are amortized into projections based on numbers pointed out above

this is a larger scale then what happens in WSBK, meaning a Corse WSBK Akra exhaust cost I think 12-15k

As I said from the jump - its too expensive. But what is outlined above and then compounded by maintaining a certain margin is how we get to such wild numbers. Big part of it is how there really arent THAT many Ducatis out there compared Japanese bikes

This is absolutely sound reasoning. That said, other companies are making similar things for a quarter of the price. What I don't know is their production set up & running costs, customer support and other tech included etc etc to come up with those numbers. What I do know is the V4 is mind blowing and when you say the Ti tubes on the bottom are nearly a 5th the price, I say they're doing it wrong. Their prices doubling in 3 years but it looks like ass AND they're the only oneworking directly with the manufacturer. No. It's hard not to take the piss.
 
Justifying price on luxury items is pointless because you cant. All I know is that my Akra sounds amazing, looks great and with the Ducati supplied mapping it just works. I dont need aftermarket tuning or do any fiddling about, just turn the throttle and hang on when it hits 10k.
 
I do think the exhausts are overpriced, but also I DO think that certain things are massively overlooked in regard to complaining about the price.
+How many ducati V4 are sold?
-Of that number how many put full systems on?
+Aside from material costs - development costs are amortized into projections based on numbers pointed out above

this is a larger scale then what happens in WSBK, meaning a Corse WSBK Akra exhaust cost I think 12-15k

As I said from the jump - its too expensive. But what is outlined above and then compounded by maintaining a certain margin is how we get to such wild numbers. Big part of it is how there really arent THAT many Ducatis out there compared Japanese bikes

The Akrapovic titanium full system for the Multistrada V4 is 2.5k. Sure, they sell way more Multistradas than Panigales and Streetfighters, but how many Multistrada owners even consider an exhaust upgrade?
So, we can safely overlook all the things on your list...
 
A friend had the Akra exhaust option on his 2019 Ford GT and I believe it was $25K.

Which is maybe 2.3% of the price of a Ford GT? Its a value compared to the bike system. The under tail Akra for the Pangiale is almost 25% the retail price of the bike (V4S). The under tail is the same as the under belly system save for O2 sensors up until where they join to go to the tail section.

The fact that is another 50% of the already $5k to route it under the tail is very ambitious pricing.
 


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