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That shootout was pretty much the worst I've seen in a long time... and contradicts a lot of other reviews/shootouts. I'm seeing more and more how worthless these are really over individual reviews of bikes, I've rode all those bikes, I might go so far as to say they made .... up but.. they are journalist's they wouldn't do that right?

In all fairness, I would put the Panigale at #3 on the STREET based on comfort etc below the S1000RR and ZX10R and on the track? Probably #1 or 2 next to the Aprilla.
 
They really didn't like the Pani at all. It was nearly impossible for it to score any worse than it did (5th of 5 on the street, and 4th of 5 on the track). He mentioned the heat continually - that is something I can relate to on my 2012 Tricolore, and I figured with 10 more hp and 86cc more displacement, that situation wasn't going to improve. Even with the extra ccs, it still is 7hp behind the BMW. Amazingly he felt the Brembo brakes on the BMW felt "twice as strong as any of the other bikes". Time for another Desmosedici, Ducati.
 
wow, FZR1000R1 is totally right! the R1 is the best trackbike, even though it makes the LEAST horsepower.

It's even a better street bike. More fun, etc.

Turns out our resident troll has been preaching the gospel and the truth!

time to sell the 1299S and get my hands on an R1M.





.....or maybe those idiots need to learn how to ride a twin. totally different skillset required .
 
kismetcapitan said:
wow, FZR1000R1 is totally right! the R1 is the best trackbike, even though it makes the LEAST horsepower.

It's even a better street bike. More fun, etc.

Turns out our resident troll has been preaching the gospel and the truth!

time to sell the 1299S and get my hands on an R1M.





.....or maybe those idiots need to learn how to ride a twin. totally different skillset required .
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Probably got cold feet after wrecking the ZX10 [emoji23][emoji23]
 
HarmonyJim said:
Amazingly he felt the Brembo brakes on the BMW felt "twice as strong as any of the other bikes". Time for another Desmosedici, Ducati.
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No way the S1000RR brakes are better, I've ridden both. Chandler praised the Ducati (Brembo) brakes as the best on the motorcycle.com test.
 
I enjoy their reviews... They always just rate subjectively just like we all do when buying. They also basically state buy what moves you which is what we also do. I've owned several ducati and love them and really wanted the 1299 since just looking at it moved me but after 15 minutes I was crippled on it. Most people will probably not experience the same issues but those who may have back issues may look at what I say and take heed when buying and that's what we're looking for with reviews.

I'll never understand why people get butthurt on these reviews or start going on how they're paid by the manufacturer's so they make .... up. If 2 of us on this forum made a similar review it would be similar in regards to information even if the choices were different.
 
fzr100098 said:
No way the S1000RR brakes are better, I've ridden both. Chandler praised the Ducati (Brembo) brakes as the best on the motorcycle.com test.
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Yes, they are completely full of ...... The BMW brakes are good, but nowhere NEAR as good as the 1299; not close. Having owned both bikes and put about 1 bazillion times more miles than they have on the BMW on road and on the racetrack and having 4,000 miles on the 1299, I can categorically state that the 1299's brakes are superior by a long shot.... I don't know what drugs they are on, but they are just wrong.
 
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fzr100098 said:
What a shock, you're full of .... yet again - for the 20th time, the R1 is restricted from the factory and down at least 10-15 rwhp

It's painful correcting you at every turn, but keep calling me out, and I'm happy to keep doing it...you must be my newest cyber stalker
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AS TESTED, it made the LEAST horsepower. THEY TESTED THE RESTRICTED VERSION AND IT STILL POSTED THE FASTEST LAP TIME.

Wow.

I guess horsepower isn't everything; somehow the R1M (with Ohlins suspension) managed to be fastest around the track despite making only 160whp.

So this test proves you're right about the R1 being the "ultimate track machine"

But it also proves you completely wrong about horsepower winning races.
 
80shilling said:
Yes, they are completely full of ...... The BMW brakes are good, but nowhere NEAR as good as the 1299; not close.
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well, yes and no. BMW never intended the S1000RR to be the best superbike possible, which is what Ducati always attempts to do with their flagship models. It was squarely aimed at beating the Japanese with better performance at a similar price point.

Brembo Goldline calipers? they're entry level. True, they found a synergistic match with that Nissin master cylinder, but this isn't top of the line braking hardware.

Testers continually forget, the S1000RRs brakes are linked in ALL modes. When you brake with the front, you're always getting some rear brake applied as well. The computer may decide as little as 5%, or significantly more.

So there's the "secret" behind the mighty front brakes of the S1000RR.

It's a good system - swap the calipers for Brembo M4 monoblocs as I have, and use a Brembo RCS19 master cylinder, and with the default linked brakes, it's very impressive.

What's awesome about the 1299S is that things you normally have to pay to upgrade - Brembo monoblocs, Ohlins, etc - come STOCK. I like that a lot :)
 
kismetcapitan said:
well, yes and no. BMW never intended the S1000RR to be the best superbike possible, which is what Ducati always attempts to do with their flagship models. It was squarely aimed at beating the Japanese with better performance at a similar price point.

Brembo Goldline calipers? they're entry level. True, they found a synergistic match with that Nissin master cylinder, but this isn't top of the line braking hardware.

Testers continually forget, the S1000RRs brakes are linked in ALL modes. When you brake with the front, you're always getting some rear brake applied as well. The computer may decide as little as 5%, or significantly more.

So there's the "secret" behind the mighty front brakes of the S1000RR.

It's a good system - swap the calipers for Brembo M4 monoblocs as I have, and use a Brembo RCS19 master cylinder, and with the default linked brakes, it's very impressive.

What's awesome about the 1299S is that things you normally have to pay to upgrade - Brembo monoblocs, Ohlins, etc - come STOCK. I like that a lot :)
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Either way, the BMW brakes are not as good and ESPECIALLY at the track; I have tried Vesrah, Ferodo, EBC and Carbone Lorraine C59 pads on my BMW and even with the best brake pads available, the brakes still don't measure up to the Panigale's.

You are correct about the linking, except in SLICK mode where they are not linked.

Cheers.
 
And I'm sitting on the fence btw the Panigale R and the R1M! Wow! Now that is a comparison I'd like to see.......
 
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wtf is up with those lap times .

a really fast lap at button willow is mid 140's

who are these guys? if they ran a shortened track then what the hell does that prove .

A 600 would probably have won this shootout. as said before
magazine shootouts are for squids .
 
AKKutz said:
And I'm sitting on the fence btw the Panigale R and the R1M! Wow! Now that is a comparison I'd like to see.......
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a close friend has an R1M. Fit and finish is stunning. Lots of carbon fiber, and I personally like the design. In the real world, power (mine's stock, he has an exhaust and remap) feels about the same, and in highway roll ons we can't really get pull any meaningful leads on each other. We're both faster than another friend's 1199S that's been mapped.

Every bike has its own unique feel, which is not always easy to put into words. I like how the Ducati feels - it's super narrow, and MUCH lighter and agile on its feet. More gutsy midrange torque too, although "by the numbers" the '15 Panigale R doesn't pack as much of a torque punch.

But a Ducatisti buys an R edition for reasons that go far beyond numbers and magazine test results. People either get it, or they don't.
 
all of these tests come up with different conclusions. so what does that mean?

people should buy which bikes works for THEM. That is the ONLY measure of what is "best" or "ultimate".

I am personally faster on a Ducati than any other make of bike. I just intuitively mesh well with powerful twins in lightweight packages. It means jack squat if, say, Max Biaggi can go faster on a stock Aprilia than a stock Ducati - he ain't me, and MY bike is for ME.

constantly badgering people about what you think is "the best" or "the ultimate" is nothing more than willy waving. I should think that on a 1299 owners board, we're far past that, and I sincerely hope the person who keeps bringing it up will just let it go.
 
kismetcapitan said:
constantly badgering people about what you think is "the best" or "the ultimate" is nothing more than willy waving. I should think that on a 1299 owners board, we're far past that, and I sincerely hope the person who keeps bringing it up will just let it go.
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I think we agree more than you think, and I 100% agree get what is best for you. All I ever said was in my *opinion* the R1 is the bike I would get for pure track work if I was an expert (and money to spend on modding it). Ironically, you're the one who keeps harping on that over and over as if it's some kind of blasphemy here. The 1299 is a great bike in every respect, and so is the 1199R
 
fzr100098 said:
I think we agree more than you think, and I 100% agree get what is best for you. All I ever said was in my *opinion* the R1 is the bike I would get for pure track work if I was an expert (and money to spend on modding it). Ironically, you're the one who keeps harping on that over and over as if it's some kind of blasphemy here. The 1299 is a great bike in every respect, and so is the 1199R
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cool. as we're discovering, opinions vary widely. as long as they're mutually respected as opinions, we all come out ahead :)
 

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