New evo 2 software

[01COCCOBET]

Is anybody aware of the issue of the new software EVO 2,
mostly related to the track users?
Better/quicker gear shifts
Smoother anti-wheeling
Rain maps
etc?
It is std on all V4R
I have inquired Ducati if it is possible to install it in my 2019 V4 base.
Anybody tried it?

 

[mhaddad]

I ask couple dealerships here in Germany and they didn't know anything about it


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[Desmolvr]

They announced that it would be available a while back there was another thread on it. My dealer ship had a part # but no pricing at the time I inquired. I am going to send an PM to Jarel at Ducati Omaha to see what he knows.

 

[jarelj]

It's available now, $749 retail, part# 96580201A and has to be installed and married to the VIN# on the bike by a Ducati dealer using the DDS system. Below is the info we received on it, sorry if it's not copy-pasting well:

This product has been designed for racing vehicles used only in closed circuits. Use on public roads is prohibited by law.

“Ducati Traction & Wheelie Control Evo 2 is now available also for V4 and V4S. Derived from Ducati MotoGp 2018, it was designed for V4R and V4R Sbk. It not only interfaces with the 6-axis Inertial Measurement Unit and adapts its intervention and bike sliding to bike leaning angle, but the software also considerably improves power management out of bends thanks to the new predictive control strategy. It works on rear spinning instant value, and also on its variation, intercepting grip loss more quickly and reducing slipping peaks, which ensures a faster a smoother intervention. This translates into a greater vehicle stability when exiting bends also when grip is not excellent, enhanced acceleration and improved performance both on single laps and on the long run. Furthermore, the DTC EVO 2 works both on ignition advance and injection for rapid
correction, and with the throttle body valves when no fast control is required. This
functionality ensures that ideal combustion parameters are maintained and provides a
smoother engine response.

The software was designed to considerably improve the racing performance of any rider using slick tires (or rain tires for wet surfaces) with both the Ducati Performance Racing exhausts and stock systems. It can be set to 8 different levels (6 for dry track and 2 for wet track), which allow each rider to adjust the control strategy to their own riding style and grip conditions to achieve top performance.

When the DTC EVO 2 is set to level “1” or “2”, the feature Spin on demand is available, i.e. a dynamic slip control directly related to the rider's request, which allows the rider to control the bike in a way that was so far achievable only by expert or professional riders. When the bike is leaning over, the rider can use the throttle control like a direct interface with the system and, only for torque requests exceeding 120 Nm, obtain an increased rear wheel slip compared to that allowed by the normal DTC EVO 2 level of intervention. This will trigger a gradual oversteering that permits the rider to actually close the trajectory with the rear wheel, while the system is controlling the safety parameters.”

 

[BTrain5489]

"The software was designed to considerably improve the racing performance of any rider using slick tires (or rain tires for wet surfaces) with both the Ducati Performance Racing exhausts and stock systems. It can be set to 8 different levels (6 for dry track and 2 for wet track)"

Does this mean the stock DTC levels have been recalibrated specifically for track use with slicks or that there are eight new DTC levels calibrated specifically for track use with slicks? Am I reading that entirely wrong?

 

[01COCCOBET]

I will tell you more as soon as I install it on my V4.

 

[RdashP]

Does this mean the stock DTC levels have been recalibrated specifically for track use with slicks or that there are eight new DTC levels calibrated specifically for track use with slicks? Am I reading that entirely wrong?

Indeed EVO2 reads and looks 'only' like an altered 8-stage DTC mapping, especially in the mid- to higher levels of slippage where it looked insufficient and quite 'bumpy' under the EVO1 mapping(s):

I expect this graph will differ for both EVO1&2 mappings dependent of local circumstances, like tarmac abrasion level and tire pressure/compound in relation to their temperature/ available grip level, lean-angle, throttle opening, weight distribution, etc. etc..
In other words: besides smoothing out the 2 erratic spikes, I doubt if the EVO2 DTC mapping will be perfect under all circumstances. Isn't it always a compromise even with now available 8 levels or am I 'smoking dope'?

@01COCCOBET once you've tried the EVO2 version on track, please confirm to us if you actually perceive a less 'bumpy' DTC intrusion management at these higher spin/slip-rates. tx

 

[01COCCOBET]

if I survive the test,I'll do it with great Pleasure

 

[V4nip]

any update for this topic? keen to know

 

[01COCCOBET]

I decided to try my friend's V4R to test it out,before buying it.
I REALLY hope I will not fall in love with the whole bike,instead of only trying the sw

 

[fosterelli]

Famous last words!

 

[Legion748]

I wish I had saved £500 and not had it installed as I noticed no difference at all "¦..

 

[thorny]

I think the differences can only be perceived, if someone slides like a mad man with a tone of throttle all leaned over coming of turns. And that is like less than 2% of all track riders IMO.

I thought about it, but not sure if my level requires it. I light up the yellow light a lot and ride on TC 2 or 3, but I haven't encountered any jerkiness or issues with intervention on my standard V4S system. I think i'll Save the buck until I do.

 

[01COCCOBET]

Finally I can give some feedbacks on the EVO 2.
First thing first,the v4R is a different beast than the V4,so some differences apply.
I made direct comparison on my DDA and the R.
I had a 2 minutes dead lap,but I didn't push as hard as this on my friend's R.
So comparison was on 2:05 laps.
Mugello circuit is a 3rd gear racetrack,so not involving very slow corners that would have stressed more the TC or Sliding Controls.
Surely S.Donato,Correntaio and Bucine,have something to show.
I am sure that the TC has an easier job to do with the wider and lower torque delivery.
TC is smoother and happened to work only in few occasions.
It is better,surely.
The quick shifter is faster and seems more racing oriented,but nothing I would die about.
All in all,I will install it into my base V4,only for one reason
and it is a BIG ONE.
The tires are wearing way less than on EVO 1.
This was confirmed also by another guy that was riding there,and not only by the R,that could have made some difference.

So go for it.....IMHO

 

[01COCCOBET]

In case you are interested in the EVO 1 behaviour in Mugello

you can have a look at one of my laps

[youtube]SsatBkxB1OI[/youtube]

BTW Even if I was not the quicker around( 5 riders were training for the Italian Championship that would have been there a week later),
I was the fastest on the main straight
300+ kmh on the circuit speed trap

yeah

 

[RobertH]

Hey that was awesome ! Great video, thanks for sharing

 

[Mangustis728]

Evo2

Finally I can give some feedbacks on the EVO 2.
First thing first,the v4R is a different beast than the V4,so some differences apply.
I made direct comparison on my DDA and the R.
I had a 2 minutes dead lap,but I didn't push as hard as this on my friend's R.
So comparison was on 2:05 laps.
Mugello circuit is a 3rd gear racetrack,so not involving very slow corners that would have stressed more the TC or Sliding Controls.
Surely S.Donato,Correntaio and Bucine,have something to show.
I am sure that the TC has an easier job to do with the wider and lower torque delivery.
TC is smoother and happened to work only in few occasions.
It is better,surely.
The quick shifter is faster and seems more racing oriented,but nothing I would die about.
All in all,I will install it into my base V4,only for one reason
and it is a BIG ONE.
The tires are wearing way less than on EVO 1.
This was confirmed also by another guy that was riding there,and not only by the R,that could have made some difference.

So go for it.....IMHO

Hi ,
Last weekend after long time I got my v4s and went straight on track MISANO. When changed the tyres to SC1 and made a tyre calibration , on the exit corner No8 Quercia , 3rd gear Full gas ( Race mode ) , the bike got a DTC error and all became red ...( ABS , DES etc )
I dont want to enter to details but since you are track rider as well the EV02 will short this problems ??
As I understand is slide issue and power

 

[elements018]

Hi ,
Last weekend after long time I got my v4s and went straight on track MISANO. When changed the tyres to SC1 and made a tyre calibration , on the exit corner No8 Quercia , 3rd gear Full gas ( Race mode ) , the bike got a DTC error and all became red ...( ABS , DES etc )
I dont want to enter to details but since you are track rider as well the EV02 will short this problems ??
As I understand is slide issue and power

that's definitely a different issue. Seems to be common on these bikes, but take it to the dealer for warranty. Mine had that problem, it was related to the quick shifter.

 

[01COCCOBET]

My V4 never had this issue.
I believe it is related to some sensors.
Mine got another problem related to the gear position and it started to behave strangely.
Swapped the ECU and now is ok.
I can say that after I checked the data on DDA,
I had a chance to understand why I got the AMBER light almost always on after I got on the throttle around tha apex.
It was the sliding control kicking-in.
Now I need to better understand the DDA DATA of LOW TORQUE SLOW and TORQUE FAST data.
What is the difference?

 

[Mangustis728]

that's definitely a different issue. Seems to be common on these bikes, but take it to the dealer for warranty. Mine had that problem, it was related to the quick shifter.

On sport mode and normal riding ( Smooth ) with average lean angle = no issues
On race mode Dynamic full gaz quick shifting race way , speed above 200km no problems
I had spend almost 2hrs track time ( 6x20min ) with all the combinations ( default on race mode) result is always the throttle open and lean angle creating the HUGE DTC RED ERROR .