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Your comparisons of competing manufacturer dyno numbers suggests an attempt to validate a hypothesis by identifying a significant discrepancy from the statistical norm. If, however, you believe Ducati is stating false numbers and also believe other manufacturers employ this tactic as well but cannot identify which ones, then you agree there is no established identifiable standard from which to base your claim and, as such, concede the very foundation of your claim does not hold up.

These are not my standards, but basic research standards and no, engine dynos are not the only way to draw a well-supported conclusion. I never made a claim that could be rendered pointless; rather, I merely stated that your claim is not only unsupported but, based on the data we do currently have access to, is probably also without merit.
To which I replied that when I see a test where a heavier motorcycle with less claimed HP covered 1/4mile in a quicker fashion with higher top speed I start to suspecd Ducati is overdoing its claims comparing to its competition, to which you replied: habba habba hubba"¦infinite number of variables "¦And this is where I see you taking your stance.
 
That is what l'm driving at...I don't think we have 195 at the crank.

Yes I understand, but do you miss what ever it is that you think you haven't got.
Do you know how much are you actually down on power?
 
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noun \dī-ˈkä-tə-mē also də-\

: a difference between two opposite things : a division into two opposite groups
 
Maybe its due partially to the fact that when riding with S1000rr's in particular those things just stomp the 1199 and given that then its hard to factor in the claim of +2hp... maybe??:cool:

No rider on an S1000RR has ever beaten me whilst riding my 1199S at anything on the street.

Oh I forgot, except the fact that most people find the BMW uglier than the 1199S:eek:
 
Yes I understand, but do you miss what ever it is that you think you haven't got.
Do you know how much are you actually down on power?
I have no idea about what we actually have, I suspect I have less then most due to high altitude I live at, nor do I really care.
For reasons stated above I doubt we have 195HP at the crank"¦
 
No rider on an S1000RR has ever beaten me whilst riding my 1199S at anything on the street.

Oh I forgot, except the fact that most people find the BMW uglier than the 1199S:eek:

That's pretty cool . You must be a A grade street racer . I personally have trouble with them on the straights .
 
That's what I was thinking as well . I'm going to crazy school in December to try and get some more crazy into me .
Were you born crazy or is this something that needs to be worked on ?

It's been an evolutionary process.
But I think I've always been pretty out there from when I was a child.
Being banned from playing in the other kid's yards by their parents and everything is a pretty good indicator looking back on it now.

I think I also make other people crazy as well. Especially women.
Maybe they're better at covering it up, but their cover gets blown in the fullness of time because they can't keep up the façade.
Or they start out ok, but I do their heads in and they go nuts.
Come to think of it, one was threatening to throw herself under a bus at one point:(
 
To which I replied that when I see a test where a heavier motorcycle with less claimed HP covered 1/4mile in a quicker fashion with higher top speed I start to suspecd Ducati is overdoing its claims comparing to its competition, to which you replied: habba habba hubba"¦infinite number of variables "¦And this is where I see you taking your stance.

To which motorcycle are you referring? The HP4 featuring launch control? There is a lot more to 1/4 mile times than crank HP, surely you are aware of that.

Have you noticed how well JL seems to pull out from the field at the beginning of MotoGP races? Hmm ... his bike must be the fastest. Honda must be overdoing its RC213V crank HP claims.
 
It's been an evolutionary process.
But I think I've always been pretty out there from when I was a child.
Being banned from playing in the other kid's yards by their parents and everything is a pretty good indicator looking back on it now.

I think I also make other people crazy as well. Especially women.
Maybe they're better at covering it up, but their cover gets blown in the fullness of time because they can't keep up the façade.
Or they start out ok, but I do their heads in and they go nuts.
Come to think of it, one was threatening to throw herself under a bus at one point:(

She was reading your post as well ?
 
To which motorcycle are you referring? The HP4 featuring launch control? There is a lot more to 1/4 mile times than crank HP, surely you are aware of that...
So for many thousands more Ducati has such inferior electronics it is unable to overcome this challenge despite lighter weight and more HP? You sure know how to bring some cheer in to the hearts of fellow R owners..... Way to go Duckie ;)


Have you noticed how well JL seems to pull out from the field at the beginning of MotoGP races? Hmm ... his bike must be the fastest. Honda must be overdoing its RC213V crank HP claims.
I have no idea what you said here as I do not follow racing or other manufactures.

This discussion seems to irritate you a great deal, all I was trying to do here is to pick a on Dennis...a little, and what I thought at the time were his overly optimistic views of this beloved manufacture; little I knew there were people seriously invested in production numbers . You could have this argument if that would make you feel better.... I don't really care one way or the other what 1199 has at the crank.

All the Best. :D
 
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Can we get back to financial planning please. This HP discussion is a tired argument.

I agree.

I have a kid on the way and Im considering selling him or her off to somebody rich so I can get me a shiny new SL. I need to trade in my newly purchased R because it sucks and its slow.
 

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