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I don't know fellas, I still have my suspicions the numbers are on the high side for Ducati, however,as Flob correctly pointed out there is not much meaning to the numbers per say.
Be as it may I'm going to disagree with Dennis on his assumption that SL will come out with even higher numbers then what they've already reported.
 
Surgut said:
I don't know fellas, I still have my suspicions the numbers are on the high side for Ducati, however,as Flob correctly pointed out there is not much meaning to the numbers per say.
Be as it may I'm going to disagree with Dennis on his assumption that SL will come out with even higher numbers then what they've already reported.
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Do you own an 1199 and have you had it dyno'd?
 
Dynos, especially inertia based ones, are highly subject to calibration factors, wheel slippage, etc. Only a steady-state dyno like an eddy-current or waterbrake setup can give you honest power figures, but even then, it doesn't tell the whole story, because then that ignores dynamic advantages a bike with lightened flywheel/wheels, etc might have.

The only thing that really matters is how well the whole package works. I find that the 1199R accelerates faster, and achieves higher speeds down the straight than any other bike I have encountered on this season's track days, which includes HP4. Whatever it's making at the rear wheel, it's apparently enough.
 
I used to work with a guy who set all the clocks 5 minutes fast so he could leave work early every day .
Not too sure what it has to do with dyno figures but this conversation reminded me of him .
 
Does it all matter as it's been said before pretty much none of us can use whatever these bikes produce and the 899 has a lot less and it feels brilliant on the road
 
AntiHero said:
My 1199 S Dyno'd at 171, which means drivetrain loss is 12.4% (.8769) if the HP at the crank is 195. The dyno was done correctly and it was not a generous dyno. There are countless other real-world dynos that demonstrate the same (or more). Can't believe this is something we're even discussing.
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Your loss factor is too great.
On a motorcycle it is "believed" to be more like in the order of 9% give or take 0.5%.
 
tcelano said:
Dynos, especially inertia based ones, are highly subject to calibration factors, wheel slippage, etc. Only a steady-state dyno like an eddy-current or waterbrake setup can give you honest power figures, but even then, it doesn't tell the whole story, because then that ignores dynamic advantages a bike with lightened flywheel/wheels, etc might have.

The only thing that really matters is how well the whole package works. I find that the 1199R accelerates faster, and achieves higher speeds down the straight than any other bike I have encountered on this season's track days, which includes HP4. Whatever it's making at the rear wheel, it's apparently enough.
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Well said.
 
Brad said:
Your loss factor is too great.
On a motorcycle it is "believed" to be more like in the order of 9% give or take 0.5%.
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That is what l'm driving at...I don't think we have 195 at the crank.

TricoloreSF said:
You have to admit that's a bit ironic no?
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I don't believe I've implied that for my needs the bike is underpowered , or that I don't the bike, I just doubt the numbers Ducati claims...so, no I don't see much of irony in that.
But I am surprised to see how many people seem to accept factory numbers without any questions...
 
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Surgut said:
That is what l'm driving at...I don't think we have 195 at the crank.



I don't believe I've implied that for my needs the bike is underpowered , or that I don't the bike, I just doubt the numbers Ducati claims...so, no I don't see much of irony in that.
But I am surprised to see how many people seem to accept factory numbers without any questions...
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The irony is in the fact you're arguing something you think the bike doesn't have, without ever testing you're theory in any way.
 
i guess, the best way to put it, is to assume, that it makes 195 at the crank AT DUCATI IN BOLOGNA in their R&D center, on THEIR DYNO/TEST BENCH.
and that means with italian air, bolognese fuel, tested by a cool test engineer wearing gucci sunglasses all day and whatsoever...

i am not sure, if and how they get their test equipment certified, we have to get it done annually by an independent lab or the OE manufacturer.

so... why would ducati claim different numbers, than what they measure on let's say 10 motors during their B- or C- prototype phase... you don't know if the numbers came from motors with 2 running hours or 2000. there are always differences.

this leads to the "why 195" (or above 200 or 220 with the SL)

bragging? hype? they could have claimed 180. 200. 166. so why lie about 195 under the above mentioned conditions...

just food for thought.
 
Phil said:
i guess, the best way to put it, is to assume, that it makes 195 at the crank AT DUCATI IN BOLOGNA in their R&D center, on THEIR DYNO/TEST BENCH.
and that means with italian air, bolognese fuel, tested by a cool test engineer wearing gucci sunglasses all day and whatsoever...

i am not sure, if and how they get their test equipment certified, we have to get it done annually by an independent lab or the OE manufacturer.

so... why would ducati claim different numbers, than what they measure on let's say 10 motors during their B- or C- prototype phase... you don't know if the numbers came from motors with 2 running hours or 2000. there are always differences.

this leads to the "why 195" (or above 200 or 220 with the SL)

bragging? hype? they could have claimed 180. 200. 166. so why lie about 195 under the above mentioned conditions...

just food for thought.
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No idea how they do it or if they are in anyway mendacious...But they were obviously seeking to beat the 193 claimed by the S1000RR:rolleyes:
 
Phil said:
i guess, the best way to put it, is to assume, that it makes 195 at the crank AT DUCATI IN BOLOGNA in their R&D center, on THEIR DYNO/TEST BENCH.
and that means with italian air, bolognese fuel, tested by a cool test engineer wearing gucci sunglasses all day and whatsoever...

....they could have claimed 180. 200. 166. so why lie about 195 under the above mentioned conditions...

just food for thought.
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I suspect 180 is not cool enough and 200 would make them a laughing stock in the industry....just my take. And I agree, at some point, somehow, they manage to get 195 from an engine they had, does that mean yours bike and mine have 195 HP at the crank?
 
Surgut said:
And I agree, at some point, somehow, they manage to get 195 from an engine they had, does that mean yours bike and mine have 195 HP at the crank?
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Assuming this is what happened (which I don't believe to be the case), Ducati would certainly not be the only manufacturer to employ this tactic. So then, why single out Ducati when every manufacturer could be doing the same thing? The bottom line is you have no evidence to substantiate your claim or identify any significant discrepancy between Ducati and other manufacturers in this regard.
 
Duck41 said:
Assuming this is what happened (which I don't believe to be the case), Ducati would certainly not be the only manufacturer to employ this tactic. So then, why single out Ducati when every manufacturer could be doing the same thing? The bottom line is you have no evidence to substantiate your claim or identify any significant discrepancy between Ducati and other manufacturers in this regard.
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Maybe its due partially to the fact that when riding with S1000rr's in particular those things just stomp the 1199 and given that then its hard to factor in the claim of +2hp... maybe??:cool:
 
Stw said:
Maybe its due partially to the fact that when riding with S1000rr's in particular those things just stomp the 1199 and given that then its hard to factor in the claim of +2hp... maybe??:cool:
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Only if you can accept that as factual (which I can't), and even then there are too many variables outside of crank HP that could be contributing factors to one bike being quicker than another.
 

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