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You know the new Boeing Dreamliner 787 costs about 200 million dollars. It has as many technical bulletins as the panigale has...lol.

My point is that people expect perfection and talk performance like we're all PhDs in aerospace engineering. Overall this bike has done pretty much everything Ducati said, with some exaggeration, but that's marketing's job. To say it came up short, is myopic, as if to say gee we never thought that the other manufactures would continue development of their bikes.
 
Surgut said:
I don't think I have to considering a heavier BMW HP4 with claimed 193HP goes by your R with a relative ease....unless German horses are just simply stronger then the Italian ones.
You and Dennis could drink from the same Ducati Kool Aid keg all you want, and I'll stick to my healthy suspicions.
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I'm not into any Kool Aid. I've never been "passed with relative ease" by an s1000rr, let alone passed by one at all.

I think it's a cool bike, and it's value seems in line to me.
 
Surgut said:
I don't think I have to considering a heavier BMW HP4 with claimed 193HP goes by your R with a relative ease
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If your claim is that your Panigale engine does not deliver the Ducati claimed 195 HP, then yes, yes you do. Using an imagined arbitrary example involving someone else's bike under an uncontrolled environment would not be considered conclusive evidence to substantiate your claim.
 
zaster said:
a couple of things come to mind: ship/release dates, performance claims, issues with first year models

Also, the marketing department does a great job in stirring up expectations and excitement but when your bike does leave you stranded and sits in the shop months at a time until DNA finally pulls their head out of their rear, the customer might feel somewhat slighted.

Don't get me wrong anti, I have bought three ducs and I'm not considering riding anything else.
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I think specific examples are in order. What ship/release date, performance claim, and/or first year issues are you referring to exactly? I would also be interested to see what documentation Ducati provided to you stating that you, or any owner, would be absolved from the possibility of experiencing first year related issues.
 
how about when they tell you there is no "r" coming out only to have one a year later. Then a RR a year after that.
 
Duck41 said:
If your claim is that your Panigale engine does not deliver the Ducati claimed 195 HP, then yes, yes you do. Using an imagined arbitrary example involving someone else's bike under an uncontrolled environment would not be considered conclusive evidence to substantiate your claim.
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I do not make a claim but rather suspect, and yes, I base it on circumstantial evidence....but then again, based of your post also as a circumstantial evidence, I suspect if someone were to run the engine on a dyno and to come up short of Ducati's 195HP, you'd be questioning that dyno's calibration......
 
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Surgut said:
I do not make a claim but rather suspect, and yes, I base it on circumstantial evidence....but then again, based of your post also as a circumstantial evidence, I suspect if someone were to run the engine on a dyno and to come up short of Ducati's 195HP, you'd be questioning that dyno's calibration......
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In this case it wouldn't even qualify as circumstantial evidence considering the claim is manifested from a fictitious scenario. For every forum post of a BMW outpacing a Panigale, there is another stating the opposite. There would certainly be variables associated with any testing method, including dyno calibration, but as variables are more effectively controlled, conclusions can be made with greater accuracy. An engine dyno would be a good step towards testing your suspicions under a more sufficiently controlled environment.
 
Duck41 said:
In this case it wouldn't even qualify as circumstantial evidence considering the claim is manifested from a fictitious scenario. For every forum post of a BMW outpacing a Panigale, there is another stating the opposite. There would certainly be variables associated with any testing method, including dyno calibration, but as variables are more effectively controlled, conclusions can be made with greater accuracy. An engine dyno would be a good step towards testing your suspicions under a more sufficiently controlled environment.
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How about you spare me the suspense and share your evidence, other than the claim by Ducati marketing department, that the engine produces 195HP?
 
Surgut said:
How about you spare me the suspense and share your evidence, other than the claim by Ducati marketing department, that the engine produces 195HP?
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If there is any suspense in the matter I assure you it is shared by you alone; unless of course you have yet again imagined there to be something that simply isn't there. I don't believe anyone else here has even come close to questioning the legitimacy of crank power figures. As such, since the burden of proof lies with the accuser and since this state of suspense is one that you alone share, it would only make sense that you take responsibility to validate your claims yourself.
 
They represent Ducati though and, although this is off topic a bit, never once saw anything saying Ducati would come out with either of those models. Even on these forums where news usually breaks first everyone said no R was in the works according to ducati.

It's just annoying to release so many variations so close together and not tell anyone. They know what they are doing though cause you have people that will sell their bikes for a loss to buy the new one even though they have only had it a short time. Ducati knows how to get people suckered in.
 
The subjective stuff I'll leave you all to keep arguing about, but I'll attempt to clear up one aspect of this: When Ducati announced the 1199R, they actually said they weren't planning to make one, but they needed those changes for WSBK homologation for 2013 and that is the only reason the R was released. I can tell you from the dealer perspective, we were as surprised when the R was released as anyone else was. When Ducati went over the 1199 details at first release, they even said "With all of the stuff we put in this new bike/engine design, there's no reason to have an R model". And I believe that was actually their intent at the time. That all changed after a season in World Superstock and testing for WSBK, after they saw the changes that they needed for the next year's race bikes due to the rules handicap (or some would say benefit) that the V-Twin is saddled (propped up) with.
 
gnance said:
They represent Ducati though and, although this is off topic a bit, never once saw anything saying Ducati would come out with either of those models. Even on these forums where news usually breaks first everyone said no R was in the works according to ducati.

It's just annoying to release so many variations so close together and not tell anyone. They know what they are doing though cause you have people that will sell their bikes for a loss to buy the new one even though they have only had it a short time. Ducati knows how to get people suckered in.
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This is simply a business. THAT'S IT. No company forces or convinces any individual to go and buy their product, or in this case bike. The number of "I gotta have it soon as it comes out" kind of individuals are enough for most companies to capitalize on. Your point can easily be countered by saying don't be in a rush to buy the first thing you see. I mean sure the R didn't come out til the 2nd year of production but who cares? This is how businesses exist long term. If they didn't come out with newer and newer ...., eventually the market will get saturated and they will be out of business. There is and always will be a demand for better. Moral of this story is be content with what you have. If you're constantly chasing the "I gotta have the best" dream, you'll be running til you die.
 
Not to mention if they didn't come out with anything new, people would bitch Ducati doesn't care about their racing series and doesn't want to win, blah blah blah
 

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