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zaster said:
under-promise and over-deliver has not been Ducati's MO in the past, why should it be now?
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It appears our well traveled friend here thinks otherwise, and I wonder what reasons he may have...
 
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Maybe someone can point out the ways in which they've over-promised and under delivered? I'm not being flippant, I simply am not aware of any instance where they overhyped something or tried to mislead consumers with exaggerated claims.

I don't know too much about Ducati's history of marketing, I'm just looking at the facts I see now.
 
AntiHero said:
Maybe someone can point out the ways in which they've over-promised and under delivered? I'm not being flippant, I simply am not aware of any instance where they overhyped something or tried to mislead consumers with exaggerated claims.

I don't know too much about Ducati's history of marketing, I'm just looking at the facts I see now.
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Rossi.
 
AntiHero said:
Maybe someone can point out the ways in which they've over-promised and under delivered? I'm not being flippant, I simply am not aware of any instance where they overhyped something or tried to mislead consumers with exaggerated claims.

I don't know too much about Ducati's history of marketing, I'm just looking at the facts I see now.
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Lets start here...


Checkmate... Was the 1199 really checkmate for its competitors??? Or was that a reach???
 
AntiHero said:
..... I simply am not aware of any instance where they overhyped something or tried to mislead consumers with exaggerated claims.

I don't know too much about Ducati's history of marketing, I'm just looking at the facts I see now.
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Do I really have 195HP anywhere in my bike, or do I misunderstand Ducati's claim?
 
Surgut said:
Do I really have 195HP anywhere in my bike, or do I misunderstand Ducati's claim?
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Have you put your engine on an engine dyno to see what type of horsepower it makes? It's less than 195??

I'm with Antihero. It's all speculation until they release it. 65k may be a lot for some people, but not for everyone. I think from what we know it's an awesome machine at a fair price.
 
AntiHero said:
Maybe someone can point out the ways in which they've over-promised and under delivered? I'm not being flippant, I simply am not aware of any instance where they overhyped something or tried to mislead consumers with exaggerated claims.

I don't know too much about Ducati's history of marketing, I'm just looking at the facts I see now.
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a couple of things come to mind: ship/release dates, performance claims, issues with first year models

Also, the marketing department does a great job in stirring up expectations and excitement but when your bike does leave you stranded and sits in the shop months at a time until DNA finally pulls their head out of their rear, the customer might feel somewhat slighted.

Don't get me wrong anti, I have bought three ducs and I'm not considering riding anything else.
 
EvoL said:
Have you put your engine on an engine dyno to see what type of horsepower it makes? It's less than 195??

I'm with Antihero. It's all speculation until they release it. 65k may be a lot for some people, but not for everyone. I think from what we know it's an awesome machine at a fair price.
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I don't think I have to considering a heavier BMW HP4 with claimed 193HP goes by your R with a relative ease....unless German horses are just simply stronger then the Italian ones.
You and Dennis could drink from the same Ducati Kool Aid keg all you want, and I'll stick to my healthy suspicions.
 
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You know the new Boeing Dreamliner 787 costs about 200 million dollars. It has as many technical bulletins as the panigale has...lol.

My point is that people expect perfection and talk performance like we're all PhDs in aerospace engineering. Overall this bike has done pretty much everything Ducati said, with some exaggeration, but that's marketing's job. To say it came up short, is myopic, as if to say gee we never thought that the other manufactures would continue development of their bikes.
 
Surgut said:
I don't think I have to considering a heavier BMW HP4 with claimed 193HP goes by your R with a relative ease....unless German horses are just simply stronger then the Italian ones.
You and Dennis could drink from the same Ducati Kool Aid keg all you want, and I'll stick to my healthy suspicions.
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I'm not into any Kool Aid. I've never been "passed with relative ease" by an s1000rr, let alone passed by one at all.

I think it's a cool bike, and it's value seems in line to me.
 
Surgut said:
I don't think I have to considering a heavier BMW HP4 with claimed 193HP goes by your R with a relative ease
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If your claim is that your Panigale engine does not deliver the Ducati claimed 195 HP, then yes, yes you do. Using an imagined arbitrary example involving someone else's bike under an uncontrolled environment would not be considered conclusive evidence to substantiate your claim.
 
zaster said:
a couple of things come to mind: ship/release dates, performance claims, issues with first year models

Also, the marketing department does a great job in stirring up expectations and excitement but when your bike does leave you stranded and sits in the shop months at a time until DNA finally pulls their head out of their rear, the customer might feel somewhat slighted.

Don't get me wrong anti, I have bought three ducs and I'm not considering riding anything else.
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I think specific examples are in order. What ship/release date, performance claim, and/or first year issues are you referring to exactly? I would also be interested to see what documentation Ducati provided to you stating that you, or any owner, would be absolved from the possibility of experiencing first year related issues.
 
how about when they tell you there is no "r" coming out only to have one a year later. Then a RR a year after that.
 
Duck41 said:
If your claim is that your Panigale engine does not deliver the Ducati claimed 195 HP, then yes, yes you do. Using an imagined arbitrary example involving someone else's bike under an uncontrolled environment would not be considered conclusive evidence to substantiate your claim.
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I do not make a claim but rather suspect, and yes, I base it on circumstantial evidence....but then again, based of your post also as a circumstantial evidence, I suspect if someone were to run the engine on a dyno and to come up short of Ducati's 195HP, you'd be questioning that dyno's calibration......
 
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Surgut said:
I do not make a claim but rather suspect, and yes, I base it on circumstantial evidence....but then again, based of your post also as a circumstantial evidence, I suspect if someone were to run the engine on a dyno and to come up short of Ducati's 195HP, you'd be questioning that dyno's calibration......
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In this case it wouldn't even qualify as circumstantial evidence considering the claim is manifested from a fictitious scenario. For every forum post of a BMW outpacing a Panigale, there is another stating the opposite. There would certainly be variables associated with any testing method, including dyno calibration, but as variables are more effectively controlled, conclusions can be made with greater accuracy. An engine dyno would be a good step towards testing your suspicions under a more sufficiently controlled environment.
 

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