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Let me tell my wife what you said... "honey, it's not prudent to wait if I really want one. Said TricoloreSF." I might have to move back to the States(alone) if I use this excuse.
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Let me tell my wife what you said... "honey, it's not prudent to wait if I really want one. Said TricoloreSF." I might have to move back to the States(alone) if I use this excuse.
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Let me tell my wife what you said... "honey, it's not prudent to wait if I really want one. Said TricoloreSF." I might have to move back to the States(alone) if I use this excuse.
Just have it replace the R in the garage one day. She probably wouldn't even notice. Just say "Honey, do you like these new stripes I added?!?"
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+1, with the number of bikes listed in your sig line I doubt she'd notice even if you didn't mention it
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+1, with the number of bikes listed in your sig line I doubt she'd notice even if you didn't mention it
Thanks guys... but I tried that many times... She knows.
Earlier this year, my R was delivered to my parking space by my dealer. Needless to say I was ecstatic when I pulled up to my parking space. I walked in my house after seeing the R, and the first thing my wife said was "your new bike is here"... doh!
Of course she new I was buying a new one but she didn't know when it was going to be delivered... which means she knows what's what.
btw, my S wasn't parked there(was at the dealer) so she didn't see two of the same kind to give it away. She will say some funny stuff once in a while too... like "did you get a new thingy for the foot thingy?" I would respond, "yup, it's called a rear set"
Anyways... that's the least of my concern for now. It's the $$$$$$. Damn that's a lot of money!
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After reading a lot of the features, I must say I don't think I could spend the money. The Desmo was a completely different bike in all aspects. This bike, while quite a piece of machinery, is merely a tricked out, lightened 1199. The biggest benefit IMHO will be the magnesium wheels, which can be purchased for any Panigale for $3500-4000. Same with a titanium shock spring- $250 or so, Akra exhaust- $3800. The magnesium headstock, CF sub frame and carbon bodywork are unique and that's about it. An extra 10-15hp is not overwhelming. You can gain 8 or 9 on your own with a full system and MWR filter.
I am NOT trying to rain on anyone's parade. If it suits you- go for it. I am just trying to personally rationalize this bike. I guess the exclusivity is where the premium price comes in. That is something that doesn't interest me. In Berks county, PA my Tricolore is already rare enough and was hard to justify at $27k. I don't even think I could plop down 50k in 2-3 years on a used garage queen SL.
To each their own, but Ducati is really making a killing on this model.
I am NOT trying to rain on anyone's parade. If it suits you- go for it. I am just trying to personally rationalize this bike. I guess the exclusivity is where the premium price comes in. That is something that doesn't interest me. In Berks county, PA my Tricolore is already rare enough and was hard to justify at $27k. I don't even think I could plop down 50k in 2-3 years on a used garage queen SL.
To each their own, but Ducati is really making a killing on this model.
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I am a very lucky man and own a 1098R LE Bayliss Replica (only 500 of these were produced) and a 1199 Tricolre, I got the invitation to put my name in the hat for the superleggera (obviously a lot more invites out there than bikes !) I have registered for the "draw" but having seen the picture below on asphalt and rubber website can't help thinking I already have an 1199 that looks like this ? or is it a shot at a new Desmo ? is the Super Leggera worth more than the two I already own added together ?
NHope I loaded the link correctly ?
NHope I loaded the link correctly ?
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+1
there are frame alternatives, you can get the airbox out of CF from Carbon Sigl, you can get a trellis frame form pierobon... so are there rear subframe alternatives.
mag wheels should be inspected every year (x-ray) for cracks. what about the frame then?
you can get carillo con-rods, get your crank lightened and balanced, get forged pistons, lightened flywheels ($260) ...
all that to get a bike suited to your needs.
but not the SL logo
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You're absolutely correct. It's completely IMHO. My apologies for neglecting to put that in.
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The speculation about whether or not it's worth it is dependent upon Ducati being completely honest with the specs. Guaranteed there's a lot of very fine changes to the bike that add up to something greater than what they've mentioned. And there's a lot of changes that don't lend themselves to marketing hype (like code changes in the electronics). I suspect they're being very conservative with what they've claimed and that the Superleggera is going to be far better than even the alluring specs they've provided would suggest.
As for whether or not building a Superleggera on your own is prudent: every flurking aftermarket part I've put on my bike has had issues (including a couple failures), so there's no way I'd trust that a 3rd party has done enough R&D and Quality Assurance to ensure safety and reliability--ESPECIALLY with uber-lightweight parts. Add to that the difficulty of finding (and the expense paying for) a competent mechanic, the difficulty with finding a competent (and local) electronics guru who won't blow your engine, bugger reliability or jack up rideability trying to squeeze HP, a complete loss of warranty and nearly a complete loss of all the money dumped into the project come time for resale, and, sorry--the Superleggera is a bargain.
To indulge in a little optimistic conjecture about the significance of this bike: it doesn't take a genius to figure out that Ducati VERY pissed about their recent racing results. But if you factor in 1) record sales revenues, 2) deep pockets (if needed) from their parent company and, most importantly, 3) an extremely competitive CEO with octane coursing through ferocious and calculating veins--god damn, Ducati could just very well go medieval on the grid next season. A bit of a stretch, perhaps, but if Ducati starts winning championships, screw being a unicorn--anyone who gets their gloves on a Superleggera will own the Minotaur of modern motorbikes.
All of the above doesn't even touch upon the value of owning the BADDEST MOTORCYCLE EVER SOLD TO MERE MORTALS!!!!!
As for whether or not building a Superleggera on your own is prudent: every flurking aftermarket part I've put on my bike has had issues (including a couple failures), so there's no way I'd trust that a 3rd party has done enough R&D and Quality Assurance to ensure safety and reliability--ESPECIALLY with uber-lightweight parts. Add to that the difficulty of finding (and the expense paying for) a competent mechanic, the difficulty with finding a competent (and local) electronics guru who won't blow your engine, bugger reliability or jack up rideability trying to squeeze HP, a complete loss of warranty and nearly a complete loss of all the money dumped into the project come time for resale, and, sorry--the Superleggera is a bargain.
To indulge in a little optimistic conjecture about the significance of this bike: it doesn't take a genius to figure out that Ducati VERY pissed about their recent racing results. But if you factor in 1) record sales revenues, 2) deep pockets (if needed) from their parent company and, most importantly, 3) an extremely competitive CEO with octane coursing through ferocious and calculating veins--god damn, Ducati could just very well go medieval on the grid next season. A bit of a stretch, perhaps, but if Ducati starts winning championships, screw being a unicorn--anyone who gets their gloves on a Superleggera will own the Minotaur of modern motorbikes.
All of the above doesn't even touch upon the value of owning the BADDEST MOTORCYCLE EVER SOLD TO MERE MORTALS!!!!!
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Amen, brother!
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Sorry Anti but not in full agreement with you this time.
I don't discount the bike, however the price of admission is out of range except for the exclusiveness IMHO.
As for electronic improvements, I can't see why they can not be loaded into any other Pani.
I don't discount the bike, however the price of admission is out of range except for the exclusiveness IMHO.
As for electronic improvements, I can't see why they can not be loaded into any other Pani.
I have to agree with Anti on this one. Ducati is not letting the cat out of the bag just yet. We, as outsiders, can speculate to our hearts content on what makes the bike so radically different, but the truth of the matter is that only Ducati knows at this point and nothing will be made fully available until the bike is released. A press release is nothing and is certainly subject to change should Ducati wish to and I dunno about you, but I am pretty sure that Ducati has gained very valuable experience racing the pani and has put exactly what they need into the SL to be competitive...or so they hope!
Keep in mind, from an s to an r, ecu tuning is different taking into account the use of titanium in the engine and other components specific to the r (i.e. the rev limit change, flywheel, etc). Therefore, it would not only seem illogical to speculate on what the SL is capable of at this particular moment or assume what can be transferred to the regular models, but fool hearty at best.
Long story short, I will bet my last dollar that things are still changing and will continue to do so until the bike goes into production. Also, keep in mind that Ducati did offer a Super Sport Kit for the Pani, who is to say that parts from the SL will not be available for the general population to purchase down the road. It will probably cost us our "first borns, your nuts, etc", but should be pretty interesting though.
Bottom line, people thought the Desmo was crazy when Ducati released it, but they were all sold and I have no doubt that the SL do the same.
Just my 0.02 cents
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It's difficult to make an argument that the price is too much when there is nothing else like it readily available. What other manufacturer is selling a borderline MotoGP power/weight ratio bike with this level of electronics and componentry for under $65k? Honda's non-existent rumored bike will supposedly retail at more than $100k.
Regarding the software, in order to utilize this model-specific software on another Panigale you would first need to purchase the rights to that software (good luck), acquire and install all of the corresponding hardware, and spec out the bike to meet the exact build specs of the SL. I'd hate to see what happened to your bike when you load software coded to operate an engine with titanium con roads, double ring high compression pistons, a lightened crank shaft with tungsten inserts, and a 1000 RPM higher rev limit.
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I don't get the whole price and value debate.
Dislike the paint, critique the spec, but the price is what it is.
Geez....
Dislike the paint, critique the spec, but the price is what it is.
Geez....
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Quick question, anyone on the forum going to Bologna to see the bike in person?
I was hoping my invitation included airfare and hotel
i passed there on my way back from Mugello when i finally got to my invite! on a sunday evening ... grrrr....
as the R is a better bike then the S, so will the SL be wuit something different and could wipe away all the bad noise that the stock pani has gotten... just + 10bhp and - 14 pounds in that configuration will be a major difference...
On they R they stuck on some carbon bits and changed the engine internals to TI to make sure it does not blow... the R should be the SPS version . The SL is what the bayliss was... don't worry, there will be wheelie control and lean sensors available soon ...
if i d not have mine, i don't think the 70K would be a complete rip off.. expensive, yes! ripp off , not really.. the thing i fear most of missing , is that the engine/crankcase/swingarm will be diffferent to get different flex characteristics... that combo sounds pritty dounting...
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i passed there on my way back from Mugello when i finally got to my invite! on a sunday evening ... grrrr....
as the R is a better bike then the S, so will the SL be wuit something different and could wipe away all the bad noise that the stock pani has gotten... just + 10bhp and - 14 pounds in that configuration will be a major difference...
don't worry, there will be wheelie control and lean sensors available soon ...
if i d not have mine, i don't think the 70K would be a complete rip off.. expensive, yes! ripp off , not really.. the thing i fear most of missing , is that the engine/crankcase/swingarm will be diffferent to get different flex characteristics... that combo sounds pritty dounting...
+1
Don't forget that a rough estimate of power to weight, 6lbs. Is 1 BHp. 35 to 40 lbs. lighter is quite a gain in acceleration when looked at like that. If it is putting out at the crank 215 to 220bhp, add to that the 6 to 7bhp in weight savings, and the SL becomes a very exclusive bike by any standard. Actually it should be categorized as a rocket ship on two wheels.
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