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This is incorrect. "Worth" is a subjective quality, not an objective one.
As you admit, we are discussing the worth of a toy, not a rate of return on investment.
The worth, in this case, is a subjective quality assignable only by the possessor.Given the costs of ownership, does the value received (i.e. it's "worth") exceed the price paid? Acowsik would seem to be answering in the affirmative.
Some of us may/would answer in the negative. All assessments are valid. We each assign our own value to it.
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long way to go... the picture thread has 1,4xx posts
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Okay well if this thread is going to grow then we need to throw out some B.S. and speculation.
I am hoping that Ducati in 2015 makes the R model (present state w/o CF) the S version, The Tri Colore the R now, in Tri Colore body work, and Finally the R will be a bike like ours just with the Superleggria engine and hopefully only $40k
Or .... it all and just make a V4...lol.
I am hoping that Ducati in 2015 makes the R model (present state w/o CF) the S version, The Tri Colore the R now, in Tri Colore body work, and Finally the R will be a bike like ours just with the Superleggria engine and hopefully only $40k
Or .... it all and just make a V4...lol.
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Personally I believe..based on nothing but a gut feeling..that a V4 is in Ducatis future.... If they want to compete in the HP wars then I cannot see how the V-twin can hope to keep up.. Honda appear to be ready to go that route..Aprilia already do... I'm excited at the thought... or dream depending how you view it..
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Personally I believe..based on nothing but a gut feeling..that a V4 is in Ducatis future.... If they want to compete in the HP wars then I cannot see how the V-twin can hope to keep up.. Honda appear to be ready to go that route..Aprilia already do... I'm excited at the thought... or dream depending how you view it..
I would think that making the V4 for the new lineup would be relatively easy for Ducati.
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There is something very special about a V-twin that can outperform four cylinder engines, but the idea of Ducati incorporating a V4 into their sport bike lineup is certainly intriguing. A few of my main concerns regarding a V4 would be added girth, increased weight, and the possibility of significantly increased maintenance costs.
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So as not to derail this thread... I started another on the V4 topic..
http://ducati1199.com/motorcycle-talk/15786-ducatis-future-lies-v4.html#post126871
http://ducati1199.com/motorcycle-talk/15786-ducatis-future-lies-v4.html#post126871
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Copy to go with the photos:
Acceleration
To be fast - the primary goal of any performance motorcycle. Perhaps the most essential component of speed, acceleration gives a bike its visceral thrill on the street and enables scorching lap times on the track.
In a strictly technical sense, the acceleration of a motorcycle is a function of force and mass; to increase it, one must either increase the bike's power (force), or decrease its weight (mass).
In accord with Project 1201's extraordinary nature, its engineers pursued both components of acceleration, giving it maximum power and minimum weight to make it phenomenally quick.
Maximum power begins with an "R" spec Superquadro engine, already the world's most advanced twin-cylinder. Titanium exhaust valves are added to its titanium intake valves, all of which are precision-actuated Desmodromically using a dedicated high-performance camshaft. Low friction 2-ring Superbike pistons are fitted, and the combustion chamber's "squish" area is modified, raising compression to 13.2:1. The power of combustion is transmitted by titanium rods to an ultra-strong, ultra-lightweight crankshaft, perfectly balanced with exotic tungsten counterweights; while spent gases exit through a high-flow titanium exhaust. The combined result is a stratospheric 200+ hp - the most powerful street engine Ducati has ever made.
Extreme light weight leverages this power to achieve its highest effect. Project 1201's engine is bolted to a sand-cast magnesium Monoscocca chassis and carbon fibre subframe, forming the ultimate lightweight foundation. Every component subsequently added is similarly engineered to be as light as possible, from the readily visible machined-bottom fork and full carbon fibre fairings, to smaller details like titanium and Ergal fasteners, a titanium shock spring, and a lithium-ion battery. Even the footpegs and radiator cap are lightweight, machined pieces unique to the bike. The drivetrain is paid special attention and receives a Superbike-spec chain and sprocket, titanium axle nuts, and a forged magnesium rear wheel, transmitting maximum engine power to rocket Project 1201 forward like nothing else.
Handling
Perfect motorcycle handling means many things - ease in corner entry, agility in changing lines, stability when leaned over, and the ability to hold a selected trajectory, among others. Balancing these qualities is a complex blend of art and science in which geometry, weight distribution, and the properties of selected materials all play large parts. As in other components of motorcycle performance, mass shows its importance; few goals enable the achievement of a superbly handling motorcycle like weight reduction.
Project 1201's engineers used the principle of weight reduction to dramatic effect in the area of handling. Forged magnesium wheels, with absolute minimum rotating mass and correspondingly low rotational inertia, enable the bike to tip into curves with instantaneous quickness and precision.
Combined with the lightweight and mass-centralized chassis, they make changes in line similarly effortless. Further, they allow Project 1201's peerless suspension to better do its job, maintaining traction and keeping the bike on line at tremendous corner speed. Overall bike geometry benefits from Ducati Corse's multiple-world-championship-winning expertise, giving Project 1201 stability while leaned over along with the agility to make lightning-quick side-to-side transitions. Full-throttle corner exits are likewise handled with confidence, as an Ohlins steering damper gives sure-footed composure even with the front tyre only skimming the tarmac, or completely in the air.
Braking
Simply put, brakes are a motorcycle's most powerful components. An easier aspect to overlook than acceleration or handling, braking is nonetheless of the same - or higher - importance to top-level motorcycle performance. Ideal brakes provide the force to lift a bike's rear tyre off the ground from triple-digit speeds, the feel to control it precisely, and the consistency to repeat it perfectly, again and again.
A bike as blindingly fast as Project 1201 requires the best brakes available, so Ducati's engineers equipped it with Brembo M50 Monobloc front callipers, each milled from a single piece of aluminium. Controlling these is Brembo's exclusive new MCS radial master cylinder, which offers the ability to adjust its ratio for the perfect balance of power and feeling. As a pure racing touch, a remote adjuster lets the rider set brake lever distance on-the-fly to compensate for pad wear.
These exemplary braking components are even further enhanced by Project 1201's great recurring advantage, its light weight.
Forged magnesium wheels and a featherweight chassis offer as little resistance to being slowed down as they do to being accelerated. And to complete the mechanical package, Project 1201's braking system is given electronics in the form of advanced ABS and configurable rear wheel lift-up control, putting unparalleled braking power and ultimate control in the hands of every rider, in all conditions.
Control
Despite the incredible engineering required to maximize a motorcycle's capability in acceleration, braking, and handling, it is not enough - for until this capability can be exploited by the rider, it remains only potential.
This is why at the very top levels of World Championship motorcycle racing, each bike on the grid is equipped with an extensive array of components designed with the sole purpose of allowing the rider to fully use its performance.
With specifications comparable to those of full World Superbikes, Project 1201 is no different - requiring its engineers to focus equally on achieving incredible performance, and ensuring that it is completely within the rider's command.
To do so, they used methods both mechanical and electronic; and suspension, as the primary component of mechanical control, was focused on first. Project 1201 receives an exclusive custom FL916 fork from Ohlins, with stress-optimized outer tubes, titanium-nitride treated inner tubes, and fully machined bottoms. Incredibly lightweight, this racing-derived fork works in tandem with the lightweight front wheel to provide supernatural front-end feeling and control over any surface. An Ohlins TTX36 shock, featuring a custom titanium spring, performs the same service for the rear. A full suite of the most advanced electronics completes Project 1201's control package. Ducati Wheelie Control, a race-derived system that manages front-wheel lift, combines with advanced 8-stage traction control and a quick shifter to allow the seamless use of maximum power.
A set of dedicated buttons mounted on the handlebar allows either wheelie control, engine braking control, or traction control to be rapidly adjusted on-the-fly, enabling the bike to be fine tuned even in the middle of a record-setting lap. Back in the paddock, Project 1201's lean-angle and GPS-enabled DDA+ data system allows riders to analyze every last detail of their laps to improve the most important control system of all - themselves.
Acceleration
To be fast - the primary goal of any performance motorcycle. Perhaps the most essential component of speed, acceleration gives a bike its visceral thrill on the street and enables scorching lap times on the track.
In a strictly technical sense, the acceleration of a motorcycle is a function of force and mass; to increase it, one must either increase the bike's power (force), or decrease its weight (mass).
In accord with Project 1201's extraordinary nature, its engineers pursued both components of acceleration, giving it maximum power and minimum weight to make it phenomenally quick.
Maximum power begins with an "R" spec Superquadro engine, already the world's most advanced twin-cylinder. Titanium exhaust valves are added to its titanium intake valves, all of which are precision-actuated Desmodromically using a dedicated high-performance camshaft. Low friction 2-ring Superbike pistons are fitted, and the combustion chamber's "squish" area is modified, raising compression to 13.2:1. The power of combustion is transmitted by titanium rods to an ultra-strong, ultra-lightweight crankshaft, perfectly balanced with exotic tungsten counterweights; while spent gases exit through a high-flow titanium exhaust. The combined result is a stratospheric 200+ hp - the most powerful street engine Ducati has ever made.
Extreme light weight leverages this power to achieve its highest effect. Project 1201's engine is bolted to a sand-cast magnesium Monoscocca chassis and carbon fibre subframe, forming the ultimate lightweight foundation. Every component subsequently added is similarly engineered to be as light as possible, from the readily visible machined-bottom fork and full carbon fibre fairings, to smaller details like titanium and Ergal fasteners, a titanium shock spring, and a lithium-ion battery. Even the footpegs and radiator cap are lightweight, machined pieces unique to the bike. The drivetrain is paid special attention and receives a Superbike-spec chain and sprocket, titanium axle nuts, and a forged magnesium rear wheel, transmitting maximum engine power to rocket Project 1201 forward like nothing else.
Handling
Perfect motorcycle handling means many things - ease in corner entry, agility in changing lines, stability when leaned over, and the ability to hold a selected trajectory, among others. Balancing these qualities is a complex blend of art and science in which geometry, weight distribution, and the properties of selected materials all play large parts. As in other components of motorcycle performance, mass shows its importance; few goals enable the achievement of a superbly handling motorcycle like weight reduction.
Project 1201's engineers used the principle of weight reduction to dramatic effect in the area of handling. Forged magnesium wheels, with absolute minimum rotating mass and correspondingly low rotational inertia, enable the bike to tip into curves with instantaneous quickness and precision.
Combined with the lightweight and mass-centralized chassis, they make changes in line similarly effortless. Further, they allow Project 1201's peerless suspension to better do its job, maintaining traction and keeping the bike on line at tremendous corner speed. Overall bike geometry benefits from Ducati Corse's multiple-world-championship-winning expertise, giving Project 1201 stability while leaned over along with the agility to make lightning-quick side-to-side transitions. Full-throttle corner exits are likewise handled with confidence, as an Ohlins steering damper gives sure-footed composure even with the front tyre only skimming the tarmac, or completely in the air.
Braking
Simply put, brakes are a motorcycle's most powerful components. An easier aspect to overlook than acceleration or handling, braking is nonetheless of the same - or higher - importance to top-level motorcycle performance. Ideal brakes provide the force to lift a bike's rear tyre off the ground from triple-digit speeds, the feel to control it precisely, and the consistency to repeat it perfectly, again and again.
A bike as blindingly fast as Project 1201 requires the best brakes available, so Ducati's engineers equipped it with Brembo M50 Monobloc front callipers, each milled from a single piece of aluminium. Controlling these is Brembo's exclusive new MCS radial master cylinder, which offers the ability to adjust its ratio for the perfect balance of power and feeling. As a pure racing touch, a remote adjuster lets the rider set brake lever distance on-the-fly to compensate for pad wear.
These exemplary braking components are even further enhanced by Project 1201's great recurring advantage, its light weight.
Forged magnesium wheels and a featherweight chassis offer as little resistance to being slowed down as they do to being accelerated. And to complete the mechanical package, Project 1201's braking system is given electronics in the form of advanced ABS and configurable rear wheel lift-up control, putting unparalleled braking power and ultimate control in the hands of every rider, in all conditions.
Control
Despite the incredible engineering required to maximize a motorcycle's capability in acceleration, braking, and handling, it is not enough - for until this capability can be exploited by the rider, it remains only potential.
This is why at the very top levels of World Championship motorcycle racing, each bike on the grid is equipped with an extensive array of components designed with the sole purpose of allowing the rider to fully use its performance.
With specifications comparable to those of full World Superbikes, Project 1201 is no different - requiring its engineers to focus equally on achieving incredible performance, and ensuring that it is completely within the rider's command.
To do so, they used methods both mechanical and electronic; and suspension, as the primary component of mechanical control, was focused on first. Project 1201 receives an exclusive custom FL916 fork from Ohlins, with stress-optimized outer tubes, titanium-nitride treated inner tubes, and fully machined bottoms. Incredibly lightweight, this racing-derived fork works in tandem with the lightweight front wheel to provide supernatural front-end feeling and control over any surface. An Ohlins TTX36 shock, featuring a custom titanium spring, performs the same service for the rear. A full suite of the most advanced electronics completes Project 1201's control package. Ducati Wheelie Control, a race-derived system that manages front-wheel lift, combines with advanced 8-stage traction control and a quick shifter to allow the seamless use of maximum power.
A set of dedicated buttons mounted on the handlebar allows either wheelie control, engine braking control, or traction control to be rapidly adjusted on-the-fly, enabling the bike to be fine tuned even in the middle of a record-setting lap. Back in the paddock, Project 1201's lean-angle and GPS-enabled DDA+ data system allows riders to analyze every last detail of their laps to improve the most important control system of all - themselves.
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I was just informed that the "out-the-door" price in Chile is US$100,000. That price include VAT(tax)... which is 19%.
They will take my R as a trade-in for the same price I bought it for. US$50,000.
I was also informed that 150 are already reserved as of Friday.
What to do... what to do...
They will take my R as a trade-in for the same price I bought it for. US$50,000.
I was also informed that 150 are already reserved as of Friday.
What to do... what to do...
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+1 - cool feature to have them on the bar/on the fly
If it doesn't have launch control, it'd be a surprising and disappointing missing feature.
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I was just informed that the "out-the-door" price in Chile is US$100,000. That price include VAT(tax)... which is 19%.
They will take my R as a trade-in for the same price I bought it for. US$50,000.
I was also informed that 150 are already reserved as of Friday.
What to do... what to do...
Dealers are putting orders in on bikes on behalf of customers to reserve their place in line...so expect that number to go down once deposits come due.
With that said, I've got zero doubt that they'll sell out fast though so hesitation wouldn't be prudent if you REALLY want one.
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